52 Ancestors - Week 24 - Fathers Day

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AJC - We covered Mother's Day in May and now it's Dad's turn. Which forefather will you highlight this week?

Anything you have to say about your ancestors being fathers.

asked in The Tree House by Robynne Lozier G2G6 Pilot (435k points)
As this was bumped by someone else; and because I've not been on wikitree for 6 months, let alone a year; do you also honour Father's Day for other countries, or just American Father's Day (which is 2 1/2 months too early for me)?
Fathers Day in New Zealand is in September, not in June!!

This challenge is being run by an American so the american holidays and celebrations are being followed.

Robynne, I understand that; it's why I was asking if ever other Father's Days were acknowledged, or only the American one.  (I'm an Aussie and our FD is the 1st Sunday of September.)

I guess I could have asked - can G2G "handle" more than one FD "celebration"?  cheeky

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Since I talked about my mom for mother's day, let's talk a bit about my dad. My dad is an only child. However, he grew up with several cousins in Haverhill as his mom had many sisters.  I got him this book for Father's Day: https://www.amazon.com/Italians-Haverhill-MA-Images-America/dp/0738508551/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1527614644&sr=8-1&keywords=Italians+in+haverhill&dpID=51UJSNVn0xL&preST=_SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_&dpSrc=srch

Should be good. I've seen it before. If you are researching Haverhill or Italians in general, I recommend getting this book.

This has been a public service announcement by Chris Ferraiolo.

My dad was actually the one who got me into Star Trek and Scifi in general. It started with Star Trek: TOS and we ended up watching TNG and Voyager as it originally aired. He was never into DS9, though.
answered by Chris Ferraiolo G2G6 Pilot (160k points)
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I will do this one it might be hard but I will.
answered by Linda Barnett G2G6 Pilot (240k points)
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I invited my father to dinner, so...my husband's great great grandfather deserves some mention.

A young girl asked her grandfather with help on a family history school project. He dug in the closet and found an old family bible. As he started to look through this bible, he became fascinated with family history and genealogy. The bible had a number of letters from a son home to his mother during the Civil War, so the grandfather wrote an historical novel about his ancestor, based on these letters. The novel is The Stone Wall: The Story of a Confederate Soldier. Word about this got out to others in the family, and they shared their genealogy research and met at a Roberts/Hill/Knight/Smiley family reunion in 2001.

Billy Knight deserves mention for Father's Day. A family story is that he had 21 children and once told his wife "my children and your children are fighting with our children". Billy and his first wife Susannah had 8 to 10 children (research is still in progress). After Susannah died, he married a widow, also named Susannah who had 6 children. Billy and his second wife Susannah then had 8 children. Perhaps they kept track of all of this by recording birth, marriage and death dates in the family bible! Billy grew dark leaf tobacco on a farm along the Buffalo River in Amherst County, Virginia. He was born and died in Amherst County, and most of his immediate descendants remained nearby.

answered by Kay Sands G2G6 Pilot (175k points)
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My father, Bill Gardner (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gardner-5486 ) was not a particularly good father, but he was a brilliant
and interesting person. He was born in Pasadena, Calif. His father was an electrical contractor, who installed wiring on navy vessels in San Pedro Harbor. When he was young, the family went back to Colorado, where his father was born, to help on the sheep ranch when his grandfather became ill. They lived there for a couple of years. After his grandfather died, the family moved back to Pasadena.

Bill grew up attending Lake Avenue Congregational church. He and his brother both went to public school in Pasadena through Jr. College, then went to Westmont College in Santa Barbara, graduating with a bachelor's degree in Psychology, and a teaching credential. He married my mother, who he knew from both Lake Avenue Church, and Westmont College, and after the wedding announced to her that he was an atheist and would never set foot in a church again. Surprise!

My father taught 5th and 6th grade, in Santa Barbara, for a few years, then got tired of teaching and quit. He got an entry position in a research laboratory, having no background or education in the profession. He liked the job, and, learning on the job, worked his way up, eventually buying the business when the owner retired.

When I was a child, my father often came up with interesting projects, like making lampshades by covering balloons with tissue paper dipped in dilute white glue, and inlaying loops of string for a pattern. He would bring home pictures of bugs he took with the scanning electron microscope at his work. He showed us how to compose a curve out of a lot of straight lines, and how to make moebius strips. The juncture of art and science was something he really enjoyed. He also taught us how to stand on our heads, and do the frog stand and the alligator stand.
He would take me to work with him sometimes on weekends, and I'd get to help him develop family photos in the darkroom. He would boast to his friends about how smart and precocious his daughter was. I really liked him when I was a child; he was a lot of fun.

Bill Gardner

On the other hand, being human, he had his failings, and was not good at the aspects of responsibility, good sense and moral example that are important to fatherhood. My father made it no secret that I was his favorite child, and was very hard on and often mean to my little brother. The ways in which he was not a good father to me were mostly through negligence and poor sense, and through being a bad example. When he took me to work with him, if the x-ray diffraction machine was on, I was supposed to remember to duck when I crossed the part of the office where the x-ray beam shot across, but I often forgot. When I was fairly small, and before I learned to swim, he took me out in the ocean up to his chest. A wave came along and broke over his head, pulling me out of his hands. He was able to find me and catch me again, but it was very scary, and it made me quite wary of deep water for a long time. My mother did make me take swimming lessons when I was 7 or so, and I did learn to swim, but not well, and it's not something I really enjoy.
I was born in 1959, so the 60's were my formative years. Though my
parents were married and lived together until 1969, my father
definitely embraced the free love movement throughout the mid-sixties and into the seventies. He usually had a girlfriend or several, and he would take my brother and I to meet them, and would invite them home to dinner (with my mother, while they were still married), sometimes. Being raised with that as an example made it difficult for me to appreciate monogamous relationships until I was well into my 30's. Of course, I suppose the up side was that I was not the jealous sort, and was not so badly hurt when boyfriends were "unfaithful".

answered by Alison Gardner G2G6 Mach 2 (25.4k points)
I had a similar feeling towards my dad. We're the same age, and I think a lot of it was generational. We had different expectations than what they were capable of. Wowzers about the hippy era!
What an extraordinary story!  I'm so glad you took the time to share it with us.  There is a lot to learn from each other's lives.
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Well, if any of my forefathers hadnt of had children, I wouldnt be here today now would I???

My father  Charles Lange died at age 26. Its been a sadness to me all of my life. I was 6.
answered by Gloria Lange G2G6 (7.6k points)
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My father, Calvin Younger (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Younger-1075) was my hero. It's tough to complete his profile because he was adopted, and I did not live with him as a child, but I'll fill out as much as I'm able!
answered by Janettee McCrary G2G6 Mach 1 (10.6k points)
edited by Janettee McCrary
There are some Facebook DNA investigator groups that have had a lot of success with connecting adopted people to their families. It might take a few years,  but it's worth it.
Thank you so much!
I had totally forgotten that I had my father's military records, and went searching for a couple of things earlier and found a treasure trove! I know what I'm doing all weekend!
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 These prompts are like therapy some weeks. My dad has been gone for 15 years. With social media, every father's day you see posts from people writing with deep emotion about their dads. The best I can come up with is some sadness, especially over our relationship in the years before he passed. It was a point where I could have really used some paternal support and he just wasn't there.  I really think that every generation tries their best given their own experiences.  He was a good man, but not a nurturing father. Count yourself lucky if you miss a deceased parent. At least you had them in your life in a way that had a profound effect. Happy Father's Day! Here's my post : http://www.libbyonthelabel.ca/2018/06/i-ve-been-dragging-my-feet-with-this.html#.WyHDSq2zjzQ.link

answered by Libby Park G2G6 Mach 1 (12.6k points)
And yet another dang extraordinary story.  I would love to read anything written about him.  Sometimes I think the more famous and brilliant a person, the less time they have for nurturing.  And in those days, the mothers were supposed to do all the nurturing.
Thanks Teresa, I think you're right. Some times people can't strike a balance, so they're really good at one thing, and not good at everything else. Doesn't make them a bad person.
Yep, suspect it makes them human, says the 70-year-old woman.
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Mozingo, African American One Name StudiesEdward "Ned" Mozingo Sr of Pantico Run, a Bantu of Kongo descendent 

Right now, I am totally fascinated with one of my grandfathers in particular. Just yesterday I received the book that a distant cousin of mine wrote about him: The Fiddler on Pantico Run: An African Warrior, His White Descendants, a Search for Family (2012) Mozingo, Joe. Free Press. 

If you would like to take the time, I have highlighted on my Profile Fann Fann | Fann-206 a pedigree that I am eagerly awaiting to explore that goes just a couple of generations further back than Cousin Joe did. The quality of the reference is unknown until I can crack a free source (any MyHeritage members here who volunteer to look up these four folks?):

  • Generation O - Mozingo Montsingaux (1581- ?) of Spain = Nzingha Mbande (1583- ?) of the Kingdom of Kongo, Africa
  • Generation P - Duarte Mozingo-Montsingaux (1610-1669) possibly of Read in Suffolk = Nancy Barkley (1620- ?) of Read in Suffolk

When one starts digging into Edward "Ned" Mozingo's life circumstances, one comes away with a lot of unanswered questions. Today, I remain grateful for him and proud of him as a survivor and a sort of trailblazer who transcended oppression that was just beginning to boil in 17th century America.

To top it all off, the copy of the book that I bought as used has clear markings that it was owned by a public library. The real question is why was it rejected? Merely because of an innocent scenario whereby the library ended up with multiple copies and opted to sell or donate it to a bookseller? Or something more insidious: once again attempting to oppress and repress near history because some people complained about it or were made "too uncomfortable" or worse, feared that their children would learn some truth about the darker sides of "community" that have affected and enforced double-standards for far too long.

So I celebrate the life of Edward "Ned" Mozingo, because without him, I would not be here. Many of us would not be here. And many of us would not be willing to address the reality of confronting systemic racism. 

Föhn Foehn of the Marshy Bog Leewards / Fann Fann

What would you share for 52_ancestors?

answered by Fann Fann G2G6 Mach 1 (18k points)
edited by Fann Fann
I'd love to celebrate such a man as well.  How fortunate you are to have such a heritage.

Thanks for that, Teresa.

They don't have the utility here for adding categories, so apologies that I did not take a chance before on figuring out a work-around  - for those with interest in following the study of the Mozingo branch:

Mozingo, African American One Name Studies

And, to celebrate this challenge:

52_ancestors

There are records on the free Family Search website https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L6F8-R7M?1=1&parents=L624-18L_LB6D-KR1

I checked my heritage but everything was from secondary sources. Really interesting ancestors and history you have!

Hi Libby, Thanks for the reminder about Family Search. They always get stuck in the back of my mind, but when I needed to fill in some blanks on another line, I finally remembered.

Now I just have to build out the tree (untethered searches give way too many false positives) to get back to Ned.

Thanks for reading and for the suggestion! I can't believe summer's almost here and Fathers Day is THIS weekend...
Föhn Foehn of the Marshy Bog Leewards / Fann Fann

All libraries have book sales as they refresh their shelves. If a book has not been borrowed for sometime it goes out for sale, standard procedure. Nothing untoward in it having been in a library, I have at least 30 ex library books on my bookcases. Just count yourself lucky to have the book it could have been lost.
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My dad was one of eight children born to Bishop and Amanda Smith. My grandfather made my dad, Uncle Wick, and Uncle Dave all quit school  by 8th grade so they could go to work to support their family.

In 1995, after my dad died, my Aunt told me that my grandfather would beat my dad and his brothers in a shed with a barber strap, while she, along with her sisters, would cry outside the shed, and beg their father to stop. These beatings were frequent and were for no reason.

My dad worked hard to support my mom, my sister and my brother.  He was kind and loving. Just the opposite of my grandfather.

He was an active participant in everything us kids did. I remember seeing dad at every game that I cheered for, and my brother played in.  He took us to church, and taught us right from wrong - and not one single time did he have to hit us.

Dad used to sit outside with us and the neighbor kids and tell us scary stories. He would go into the house, and sneak around and scare us. He protected us from the bats. He helped us catch lightening bugs.

Dad fished with us. He took me with him several times, and when he found out I was using old dead, dried up worms and catching more fish than him, he told me that it wasn't fair, and just laughed. He took us to the playground, and for ice cream. One time he asked my sister what kind she wanted, she said vanilla when we were inside the drugstore. When we were outside in the car, he asked her why she got vanilla, and she said "because I couldn't say wasbarry whipple".  He built a pontoon boat for us, and while mom and dad were standing on top of it, they told us we were getting a baby brother. He was a family man.

In everything he did, he showed us that he loved us. There wasn't a doubt in our minds - no reason to question, our dad loved us.

When my sister died in 1991, my dad cried. He mourned.  His heart was broken. And he hurt until he died in 1995.

My dad was the best person I have ever met in my life.  I am not the only person that feels that way. Several other people that have met my dad feel the same way.

I am so glad that God gave me my dad.
answered by Cheryl Hess G2G6 Pilot (130k points)
Cheryl,

After reading your moving post, I too, love who your dad was.

The beatings were a part of your grandfather's generation "proper way to bring up sons" ideology.  The same thing happened in my family, and all those of my grandfather's generation I knew.  However, my grandfather never gave his sons a beating without what he felt was a solid moral reason.  And he dearly loved his sons.

Yet, my mother told me that when my grandfather died, my father came home from the funeral, sat down, put his head in his hands and said, "I will never lift a hand to any of my children again."  My father never "beat" any of us, but he did, on rare occasion, give my brother a swat on the behind.  And I can't imagine a more loving father--except, perhaps, for yours!

Thanks for sharing your story.  It also gives a history lesson.
Awe, Teresa, thank you so much. It sounds like you had a terrific dad. We are very lucky, as girls, to have had such a wonderful relationship with our fathers.

I grew up at the ideal time in America. No computers, gameboys, or cell phones. We were an average family. Dad worked hard, we had what we needed, but learned the value of a dollar.

We played outside until the street lights came on. And my father came home every night for supper.

Thank you for loving my dad as much as I loved him.

You are surely a blessing to this world yourself.

Cheryl
I am so sad to see the "played outside till the streetlights came on" part of childhood disappearing.  And having a dad come home for dinner every night and the whole family sitting around the table sharing.  Lots of loss for the current generation of children.

Having a dad and childhood like yours was priceless.  I've really loved learning about it.  Thanks again!

Teresa, 

Kids today do not know what they are missing, and parents today are contributing to that loss. When my husband and I go out to eat and see the whole family on their cell phones, I feel so sad. They are missing out on hundreds of hours of family time that can never be regained.

Whatever did they do without their phones.

Thank you so much for your comment.

smiley

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His profile is a work in progress as I'm still trying to get straight exactly who his children are, but William W. Perry had a lot of them!  Some sources say 12 children and some say 12 sons and 1 daughter (she being Harriet (Perry) Chapin from Week 18).  It does have a nice Biblical patriarch feel echoing the twelve tribes of Israel to go with the 12 sons. 

Unfortunately, the lists of the sons that have been compiled have some questionable entries and can total more than 12.  And, he appears to have been married twice more after his first wife died with possible additional children. To add to the confusion, some link one of sons as the husband of his third widow.

Maybe a Space Page focusing on the research into who is/isn't/might be his children?

answered by Jill Perry G2G6 Mach 1 (12k points)

I'm sure glad you're the one who has to untangle his offspring! wink

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My dad was the best teacher I ever had. I do miss him.

I posted part of the eulogy that I wrote for my Dad for his funeral.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Thompson-31032
answered by Robynne Lozier G2G6 Pilot (435k points)
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I wish I had known my great grandfather, Luther Stewart.  I can only imagine what a hard life he probably had.  He grew up without a father in his life during his first seven years as he was illegitimate.  I don't even know what his real surname is.  He used Stewart which was his mother's maiden name.  At about 7 years of age, his mother married a Regions. They moved from Mississippi to Louisiana about 1886.

He married shortly after the move at about age 16, and ended up having 14 children!  Four of the kids died as infants or young children and lie in unnamed graves next to Luther.  The graves only state "Luther Stewart Child."  I can't wrap my mind around how he could provide support for that many children, himself and a wife, working as a farmer.

In 1910, the family was still in Natchitoches Parish, Louisiana. Luther moved them to Claiborne Parish sometime after the census was recorded because his wife was in poor health.  He returned to Natchitoches Parish about 1916 to work but died of swamp fever at age 46.

I don't really know what kind of father he was, but I imagine that he did the best he could for his large brood of kids and his wife. Not knowing his own father, I imagine he wanted to be the best father he could to his own children.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Stewart-13573

answered by Carolyn Martin G2G6 Pilot (120k points)
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I have a father, and grandfathers, and so on, but I will focus on a missing father, my third great grandfather.

My second great grandmother, Elizabeth (Burch) Pilcher (1835 - 1911),

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Burch-183

was baptised in 1835, daughter of Charlotte Burch, "single woman".  In the 1841 census, she is living with her mother, her uncle, and her grandparents. Her grandfather appears to be a prosperous farmer.

In late 1841 her mother, Charlotte Burch,  married Richard Springate, 13 years her junior.  Since Richard Springate was only  13 when Elizabeth Burch was born, and since she is NOT living with them in the 1851, and she never took the name Springate, it is unlikely that Richard is her father.

The available documents for her marriage to Thomas Pilcher do not list a father's name.

So who WAS her FATHER?
answered by Janet Gunn G2G6 Mach 5 (58k points)
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I am going way back to the 1600s because over 80% of the members of GenVerre trace their lines back to him.  We call he and his wife our Mythic Couple.  He is https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Andres-233 Michel Andres married to Appollonia Krieger.  

Father of Eva Andres, Verena (Andres) Fischer, Anna (Andres) Girard, Elizabeth (Andres) Moser, Adam Andres,Margaretha Jeanne (Andres) Stenger, Christian Andres I, Marie Andres, Christine Agnes (Andres) Schwoerer, Pierre Andres, Michel Andres andChristian Andres II

He was a glassmaker and his children were part of the glass industry in France and what became Germany.  

He is my 8th Great Grandfather.

answered by Laura Bozzay G2G6 Pilot (448k points)
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Well, been working on one of those recently, [[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Payet-4|Pierre Payet dit St-Amour]], one of my paternal grandmother's ancestors.  The man had 14 children, of which 12 lived to marry.

He was believed dead in 1690 after an Iroquois attack, being already the father of 7, but was in fact a prisonner and released after 3 years, going on to father 5 more children.

His descendants are too numerous to count.  laugh

answered by Danielle Liard G2G6 Pilot (163k points)
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Gotta go with my immigrant ancestor John Awbrey because he became a dad so late in life & if he hadn't, I wouldn't be me!

John was in his 50s when he married - quite old to be starting a family by colonial Virginia standards. It took quite a bit of research to figure out that he and Jane Johnstone (born c1660) had married - she being so very much younger (she was anywhere from 15 to 21 when they married, depending on which estimates for birth and marriage you go with - research is ongoing). But whether she was a minor or an adult, I'd love to know the story behind their marriage. I like to think that her mother intended that they should marry by the way she wrote her will, but also left it so that Jane might marry elsewhere. But I doubt the records will ever reveal the story behind their marriage.

Cheers, Liz

answered ago by Liz Shifflett G2G6 Pilot (299k points)

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