Which John de Grafton married Henry de Erdington's daughter?

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Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Volume II, page 291, states in a paragraph on Henry de Erdington and his wife Joan de Wolvey, that "They had one son, Giles, Knt., and one daughter, ____ (wife of John de Grafton)."

Normally, It's a delight to find something in Richardson, but not here!  First of all, Henry de Erdington seems to also have a daughter, Matilda, referenced by other credible sources.  Secondly, I wish I knew Richardson's source for this so I could see what led him to be confident that there was a marriage without the daughter being named.  But most importantly, there seem to be two John de Grafton's of the same age not terribly far from each other.  Does anyone have a thought as to which one might be the spouse?

I was working on one of the John de Grafton's.  This one took his name from a hamlet about 3 miles northwest of Shrewsbury, Shropshire.  There were several generations of the family, documented in various Visitations, and while none of them had birth years, I gave them 30 years per generation, it all worked out and I had John born about 1300, and Henry de Erdington's daughter born 1310.  Lovely.

There apparently was a more important family associated with Grafton Manor in Worcestershire which also went by the name de Grafton.  And this family, too had a son John de Grafton, whose birth could be estimated as, say, 1295.  

Neither son is listed in his respective sources with a named wife, or a wife at all, for that matter, though they both had descendants.

The link is to the John I was working on, but I've accumulated information on the other John (who does not have a Wikitree profile yet) under Research Notes on the same profile.

Your help in solving this puzzle -- or even shining more light on it -- would be most appreciated!
WikiTree profile: John de Grafton
in Genealogy Help by Jack Day G2G6 Pilot (385k points)

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Whichever John de Grafton it was, he had a son William.  See D511 in Ancient Deeds http://www.british-history.ac.uk/ancient-deeds/vol3/pp465-477
by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (535k points)
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Belated thanks to John Atkinson's help, it now appears to me there were possibly three Johns de Grafton who were living at the same time, one in Shropshire, one in Worcestershire, and possibly a third who married the unknown daughter of Henry de Erdington.  The first two cannot be the same person because they had different parents.  The parents of the third are unklnown at the moment, so the third could be either of the first two, but what we know of the third so far contains no clue that could link him to either of the first two.  So at this point we now have separate profiles for all three Johns de Grafton:  Grafton-329 for he of Shropshire, Grafton-331 for he of Worcestershire, and Grafton-580 for the husband of Henry de Erdington's unknown daughter.  It will be a temptation for the unwary to seek to merge these profiles, a temptation which one hopes can be resisted until there are facts in support.

ago by Jack Day G2G6 Pilot (385k points)

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