Philippa Bonville (parentage/origins)

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Is it possible, since Philippa's parentage is in question, that people are confusing her with Philippa l'Arcedekne (who was married to Sir Hugh de Courtenay)? I found a Philippa listed on The Peerage, and they cite Burke's peerage: http://www.thepeerage.com/p921.htm#i9201

This seems reasonable, and might explain all of the questions regarding Philippa.

There is a WikiTree profile (albeit lacking) for Philippa l'Arcedekne Arcedeckne-9

(Edited to add the following):

There is also a Philippa Grenville listed (connected, with no profile information about spouse, etc.) as the daughter of Sir Thomas Grenville and Isabel Gilbert (found on The peerage, which cites L. G. Pine, The New Extinct Peerage 1884-1971: Containing Extinct, Abeyant, Dormant and Suspended Peerages With Genealogies and Arms (London, U.K.: Heraldry Today, 1972), page 9. Hereinafter cited as The New Extinct Peerage- whose co-author is Burke. The Peerage lists this Thomas Grenville as "Sir Thomas Grenville, son of Sir Thomas Grenville and Elizabeth Gorges.": http://www.thepeerage.com/p2571.htm#c25709.1

This Philippa married (according to the peerage) "Philippa Grenville was the daughter of Sir Thomas Grenville and Isabel Gilbert.1,2 She married, secondly, Humphrey Arundell, son of Thomas Arundell and Catherine Dynham.1 She married, firstly, Francis Harris.1 She died in 1524.2

     Her married name became Harris.1 Her married name became Arundell." ([S21] L. G. Pine, The New Extinct Peerage 1884-1971: Containing Extinct, Abeyant, Dormant and Suspended Peerages With Genealogies and Arms (London, U.K.: Heraldry Today, 1972), page 9. Hereinafter cited as The New Extinct Peerage. [S130] Wikipedia, online http;//www.wikipedia.org. Hereinafter cited as Wikipedia.)

I asked the question/s on the profile, but figured it was good to post here as well, so that it reaches more people (instead of reaching just the profile manager).

WikiTree profile: Philippa Bonville
in Genealogy Help by C Anonymous G2G6 (10.0k points)
edited by C Anonymous

Apparently the profile manager will be deleting the comments (showing sources and other information). I just received an email from him: "The following comment from John Schmeeckle was posted on your WikiTree profile. Do not reply to this e-mail. Post a comment on John's profile, or send John a private message.

Hi, just to let you know that there is a growing accumulation of comments on Philippa Bonville's profile -- I'm going to do some housecleaning and delete some of them soon.   Thanks for being involved."
This is one of several profiles that is now on my to-do list to review.

Liz Shifflett, co-leader Magna Carta project

p.s. Once a comment is deleted it is forever gone. Could you copy the text (with who sent it & the date) into the profile first? (Can be hidden text - but by copying it into the profile's text, it becomes "findable" through the Changes tab).
Sent to you.

She isn't a Magna Carta profile.  If she's a daughter or granddaughter of Elizabeth FitzRoger, she's got ancestry that way, but she isn't credited with any gateway descendants.  Though I expect some could be found smiley

John Schmeeckle has presented the crystal clear evidence which undeniably shows Philippa Bonville as being the granddaughter of Elizabeth FitzRoger.  He has also presented the evidence that points to the correct parentage of Mary (Machell) Cudworth.  Unfortunately, this Machell evidence has been dismissed and discounted!

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Thanks for asking the question and it is always a good idea to ask them on G2G where more people can respond.

However I think there is no doubt that all these Philippa's are different people.  As far as i know the question about Philippa Bonville's surname is not whether she was a Bonville, just where in the Bonville genealogy she fits.

Philippe Arcedekne is in The Complete Peerage, 2nd ed., vol. 1, pages 187-188 which cites a section of her mother's inquisition post mortem.

Philippa Grenville, if she died in 1524 must have been a generation or two later than Philippa Bonville.

by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (472k points)

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