How can I find Y haplotype R-CTS241?

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My father is Wallace J Anderson b. 19 Nov1940 in Suffern, Rockland County, NY.  He died in 1986 in Middletown, Orange, NY.   His mother is Beatrice Call 1916-1989 and her prior husband was Edward Anderson who we believe is not the father of Wallace.  Beatrice Call's parents were John Call (1876-1941) and Harriet Amelia Jones (1892-1968) and she was listed as adopted on her marriage certificate.   My paternal half brother did 23&me and his y paternal haplotype is R-CTS241.  UPDATE: He is R-M269 from FTDNA Y111 with surname Maxwell (with no matches close to that)  I have been tracing cousins (matches) with no obvious paternal events. We are on Anc, Heritage, 23 and GED.  Any continued thoughts, ideas, suggestions are helpful!  Thank you!
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I have a family line with R-CTS241 from Colonial Delaware. First one showed up in the 1600's in Maryland, then went to VA for a bit, then settled in DE. Would love to see if there's a possible link. Anyone know where there is from or more info on it?
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My father and therefore I am R-CtS-241-Kenner

The males in my Alexander line are R-CTS241, and this is a change from what they were a year ago, which was R-L21.  The DNA company apparently updated their haplogroups to make them more exact.  My family emigrated from Ireland to Maryland, but I am trying to find if they at some point lived in Scotland, because Alexander is not primarily an Irish name, and the area they lived in was plantation.   

SAME HERE!
I am also haplogroup RCTS-241 and my surname is Harmon which was Anglesey from O’Argadain. I can trace my family directly back to Munster, Ireland. Don’t be fooled by family surnames as many original Celtic Irish names were Anglesey by the Normans when they invaded Ireland. I’d recommend finding the original Celtic surname Alexander was Anglised from. Also the western part of Scotland was Irish via settlement by the Irish in the early centuries.

Jim Harmon
My paternal line is R-CTS241. Four generations ago they were from Scotland. (Ceres, Fife, Scotland)
Thank you all for your input!  It sounds like it's the Scottish!  These surnames aren't familiar yet, but I will continue to look for DNA relatives to piece it together.
@Jim Harmon-  any relatives from Rockland County NY area by any chance?
My husband is Haplogroup R-CTS241 and is from High Point, NC. His last name is Sheffield. No genealogy done, just 23 & Me.
I would love to find my Alexander family in the 1500s time frame.  We think they came from Scotland but have no DNA trail. The area where they lived in Ireland was Ulster Scots plantation.   Possibly McAllister, MacAlisdair, Donald or MacDonald.  Both clans claim Alexanders.
This is the kind of info I need.  Are you on 23 and Me?  I'm trying to find the road back to Scotland, but records were destroyed in fires.  I need to find matching DNA in Scotland to pin it down.  So far every DNA contact in Scotland emigrated from Ireland.
Who are your Maryland ancestors?  Do you know which city or county?  My ancestors emigrated from Donegal to Ireland.  Same Y haplo.
My father is from the same paternal line he is a collins.
I have always assumed I was Scottish, but my family lived their last 100 years (at least) in Donegal, Ireland.  I am trying to find the roots of the family in Scotland.  I've heard Ayr, Fife, Stirling, highlands, lowlands, etc..  There seems to be no paper trail, so I must use DNA to find the path.

My half brother and I are on 23&me and his paternal halogroup is R-CTS241 so I’m assuming since we have the same father that mine is the same?? Our last name is McMahan and we live in Kansas. 

I am r-cts241.  Family is from Wales, traced back to Rhodri Mawr, who was supposedly a distance descendant of Niall of the Nine Hostages (Irish)

Yes it looks like the new Haplotype replacing R-L21 and DF13 subclade with  R-CTS241  is taking effect in more of these DNA Testing sites. Do you get Wales as original group location or are you saying that's what you've been told?  It's said that DF-13 are Celts related and migrated out of Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany. 

They took several routes depending on the time period. Colder to Broadly Southwestern Europe (including Spain/Portugal) and also when warmer.... West across the land bridge to Briton, Wales, Scotland and Ireland. All of these different people are genetic relatives of this Nial of the Nine Hostages. I guess the ladies must have loved him and he had Dominant Genes in this Haplotype and DF-13 Dubclade. 

But most of these DNA Testing sites will invariably list us all as Scotch Irish. I'm ancestors went south (many people are saying they are part of the R1B Group who moved in and took over Basque Country and became the dominant Paternal Group over the Original Basque males. 

Further evidence shows this group to have been those in Northern Spain of Celtic Origin.... who left the caves after the last Ice Age as sea people and went to Ireland and Wales w/ them also going to Scotland. So I'm this Haplotype, but my Grandfather was an off the boat at Ellis Island immigrant from Portugal. We are about all Rh-Negative Blood factor and I know Rh-Negative Types are in Ireland, Scotland and Wales too!  

Very interesting comments.  I've heard Celts were in the Iberian Peninsula.

I've always thought Y group RM-269 belongs to the descendants of Niall.  This seems to be supported by FTDNA.  

https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/y-dna-testing/y-str/niall-nine-hostages-badge-personal-page-mean/
Mine shows Irish/English.  Our family history is from Wales as far back as when a great-great-etc grandfather was pressed into service on-board a british sailing ship, then jumped ship off the coast of Virginia.  Before him, we've lost track.  The family name is traced back to a descendant of Rhodri Mawr, however, who was supposedly descended from Niall via Scottish descendants of his.
Great story, and I wish we could get those earlier records.  I can only get to the early/mid 1600s.  From everything "official",  we are not Niall's haplogroup, but you could certainly have descended from one of his daughters or another female somewhere in the line.  There seem to be a lot of Welsh connected with our haplogroup.  That would be Celtic, correct?
Paternal haplogroups are carried purely by the Y chromosome, so there is likely a direct male lineage, barring adoption, of course.  Doesn't mean royalty or anything like that, afterall, go far enough back and -everyone- is descended from a family patriarch of some kind who held sway over enough land to support a large family.  Virtually every Welsh descended male of my surname is -also- descended from Rhodri Mawr, and we likely number in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions.  Besides, the Tudors were descended from a female descendant of his, the male line coming from the direct Irish/Scottish line of kings.
Is our haplogroup the one of Niall or not?  FTDNA says not.  

The mother of Henry VIII and I have the same mt haplogroup.
Just got my father's results from 23&me today and he is R-CTS241. 23&me added that this means he shares a paternal line ancestor with Niall, along with 1 in 21 customers of 23&me. They go on to explain how they came to this conclusion but I can't paste it here (too long).
That is my husband's too.
Do you know where his family emigrated from in Europe?
I am R-CTS241, according to 23 and Me. I am of Spanish ancestry on my father's side. From what I've read, this DNA is common throughout Great Britain, France, and Spain. I have blue-green eyes which might be come from my Italian mother's side. I'm fascinated by DNA studies and who we might be connected to.

I also have 

R-CTS241 on my paternal line!So interesting.

My people came to Cecil, Maryland in the late 1600s from County Donegal.  Could be that our male line is connected.   Do you have a family tree?
I read yesterday that our haplogroup R-CTS241 is a spinoff from RM-269, so indeed Niall is in the family tree.
My Kearns male line is R-CTS241.  Testing was done at 23 and me on my nephew, my brother's son.  According to 23 and me, we are mostly from Britain and Ireland.  Kearns may have been O'Kearney at some point in the past.  So, it's definitely an Irish/British connection.  My Kearns family ended up in Virginia.
@ Jim Harmon, can I suggest that autocorrect has hijacked the word anglicized/anglicised in your post  and turned it into "Anglesey"?
Hi, same thing and from Cecil County, just wondering if we are related? thanks Lisa
Hello! I come from a line of Liddells that lived in Cecil, Maryland from at least the early 1800s (possibly older). I am also R-CTS241. I'd love to find out more!
For those of you with this haplogroup who came from East Donegal to Cecil, Maryland.......my ancestors came in the late 1690s, and I am under the impression there were friends already in Cecil, because we think they came in autumn. You would not do that without having shelter arranged in advance for the winter.  Some of them are buried in Cecil.  The area that they settled is partially in Pennsylvania now.   There is a man in Maryland who researches land deeds, and he said there is no evidence of my family owning land until 1700.  That backs up my theory that they came first to stay with friends.   If anyone has taken a DNA test and is on 23 and Me, Gedmatch Genesis, or FTDNA, I am on all three.  We could see if we share DNA.  My email is suzannetvls (at) msn (dot com).  That is an L after the v, not a number 1.
I tested on 23 and Me and uploaded to Gedmatch just fine.  Now you would want to upload to Gedmatch Genesis.  You have to go onto 23 and Me and download the genomes to a file on your desktop.  Then upload them to Genesis.  I have had more success with 23 and Me than any other company, and I've done four.  Look for your triangulations on 23 and Me so you can separate out lines.  23 and Me has more features than the other sites.
I'm super confused. My brother(full blooded) just got his results and his haplogroup is R-CTS241. When my sister and I got our results last year we found we have a half brother on our dads side. He had been put up for adoption at birth.  He found his birth mom who described our dads life at the time she knew him, which matches what he was doing at that time in his life. His paternal haplogroup is R-L21. My full siblings and i are Iberian through both parents and double Martinez. My main question is how to boys from the same dad can have different haplogroups. Any clarity on this matter much appreciated.
Hasn't R-L21 been renamed as R-CTS241?   Two sons of a man would not have different haplogroups, but some haplogroups have been renamed.
My husband is that group with Nial and he has blue-green eyes. More green than blue. His last name is Sheffield.

@Suzie: R-L21 is the "parent" clade from the point of view of its "child" subclade R-CTS241. Which is probably better known as R-DF13. And a.k.a. R-S521, R-Z2542, and R-CTS8221.  (The websites for ISOGG and YFull usually have the most up to date trees and definitions.)

That is, all Y-DNA haplogroups, clades and subclades are defined by at least one SNP (the most minimal kind of mutation), which usually occurred thousands of years ago and is passed from father to son. In many cases several SNPs seem to have occurred simultaneously, and (as far as we know) always been found together. In other cases a single SNP has alternate names because it has been discovered by different scientists simultaneously.

Is R-M269 also a subclade or parent of this group?  I have seen an association between R-M269 and the other two we have mentioned. Thank you.
Trying to find my bio dad and this is his haplo type r-cts241 would appreciate any info ! Supposedly he was born 1966 but it’s all here say I only have a little information
Which DNA tests have you taken?  I recommend taking 23 and Me first, then any of the others including Ancestry.  It should not take long.  Also upload to FTDNA, My Heritage, and Gedmatch Genesis to look for triangulations.
Many of our Ancestors came over as endentured servants to pay for our passage, after that was repaid we were declared Freeman and allowed to our land.

so you may want to reconsider the friends theory.  Unless their friends owned them for a while.

I took my first test with National Genographic back in 2007 and transferred my DNA to Family Tree DNA. I began with a 12 marker test then upgraded to 25 markers in 2008 which will ping a family you are related to but probably not your direct paternal line even with 1 marker off. I got lucky and found a family which turned out to be a line from my maternal grandfather's maternal line. His mother's father. Then in 2008 again I upgraded to the 37 marker test. I knew I had to get out of my own nuclear gene situation. It was a long wait but finally in Nov 2018 a man from Northern Ireland matched me on all three levels. I called family Tree and I was informed that my match was from my paternal line and that D Hawthorne and I were between 8-12 cousins. That Christmas of 2018 I got a 23and Me test from my husband. I took that and got the results back early January of 2019. I had the R-CTS241 as my grouping. I ended up finding a man from Wyoming who matched me on Family Tree DNA, 23and Me and Ancestry.com which I took in Feb 2019. I looked at D Hawthorne's tree info and put him into my tree then had to figure out my line and how we connected. I figured it out by looking for Hawthorne's from Northern Ireland who came over to the US. In the search it might not be the last name you have as a family name. I did find the fmaily of Hawthorne's. Adam Hawthorne my 5th great grandfather came over from Northern Ireland with his two sons and eventually settled in South Carolina. Adam married three times and it was a son from the 3rd marriage a Robert A Hawthorne who was my 4th great grandfather and his son Capt Robert A Hawthorne Jr my 3rd great grandfather. Through the Ancestry.com I began getting DNA matches from Adam Hawthorne's descendants from his 2nd marriage. Then I got some DNA matches from Captain Robert A Hawthorne's maternal grandfather's 2nd marriage descendants. The man from Wyoming G Asa was adopted and it turned out that my 2nd great paternal grandfather Henry Morris Clarke born in Halifax VA 1863 was Capt Robert A Hawthorne's son with a Patsey Clarke an enslaved woman who was sent to Richmond, VA in April 1862 to help with the Confederate soldiers in the Civil War. She met Captain Robert A Hawthorne in May of 1962 possibly early June 1862. He died in the battle of Seven Pines June 27, 1862.  She went back to Halifax and had Henry Morris Clarke in March 1863.  one of Henry Morris Clarke's sons with Phoebe Ann Clarke (no relation) James H Clarke is my great grandfather. One of James H Clarke's brothers it turns out is G Asa's 2nd great grandfather. Benjamin A Clarke would be that man.  SO it is all by DNA that this was figured out and not an easy path.

One test will not be enough.

Brilliant work!   I assume you are a male because of your testing.  Some of us have no male to test, and for us, it is more complicated.  You have done some amazing and very creative research!   It is wonderful to see the path.
You would have to have a male cousin like 1sr ot 2nd or uncle, or brother to test if you are a woman. If your father is not alive then his brother or the brother's son would be enough. but it has to be someone directly from your father's direct paternal line.  I was able to find a picture of my 3rd great grandfather too from a random woman on Ancestry.com who just messaged me one day in 2019. I was able to go to my local public library the Pike's Peak area library. The book was called Broken Promises compiled by a man from South Carolina who found all the men who joined the Civil War in South Carolina and died in battle. My third great grandfather's picture was among the men whose pictures this man was able to find.
On 23 and Me, I found a great grandson of my paternal grandfather's full brother who provided my Y group, but I got really lucky.  I had no known males to test.  He even carries the surname.
That is excellent! that is all that is needed! and it is helpful because that great grandson is related to you as it is your paternal grandfather's great nephew
I had my brother do FTDNA y 111 test to see if there was more specifics we could find. His haplogroup came up as R-M269. Ninety per cent of his matches have “Maxwell“ as the surname. The Maxwell line is from Scotland. (But this hasn’t helped figure out who our grandfather is).
I believe I have a Maxwell.  Do you want to send me your Gedmatch number?  I can see if we connect.   (suzannetvls (at) msn (dot com))
Do you have roots in Raphoe?  That area is Ulster Scots.  There are Maxwells in the cemetery in Raphoe.
There is a Maxwell project in Family Tree DNA. I don’t know how to navigate too well on that site. I am on this site, Ancestry, My Heritage, 23 and me. I will email you our GED match info.
I am on all of those sites, but I find that looking for a smaller match is more possible using Gedmatch.
@Suzie, the short answer is "yes". R-CTS241 is a part of R-L21, which in turn is a part of R-M269.
As amateurs, it seemed simple to get the Y haplogroup to figure out close paternity. It may help rule in and out some matches. My journey has included 2 search angels that gave up on helping me. (Aka professional genealogists that couldn’t figure out my branches and quit) I am waiting for that miracle relative who takes a test and will be my missing piece!
When you are doing the FTDNA tests think of it this way. Each level you go up the circle of who you can match gets tighter and tighter. 12 markers will take you back to 1000 AD or CE years. 25 Markers to the 1500's. 37 markers up closer and so on. 111 markers is ....  but it goes from 37 to 67 to 111.. If no one tests that you are related to yuou may not find anyone. That is why I recommend taking a test from 23andMe as well. You will get matches and cousins you may not find on FTDNA but you will get your male line. Ancestry.com is helpful because you can make a tree.. I used all three
I have taken 23 and Me, Ancestry, My Heritage, and FTDNA, but there is no male to test.  I have asked the "accidental male" to take the Big Y, and he will not do it.  We are not all in the same position for testing capabilities.  I have actually found my male line using 23 and Me.
That is a good way to look at the FTDNA markers.  The problem with Ancestry is that it looks at members' inaccurate trees.  I hated to make mine private but I know mine is  a working tree to connect matches and I have not been able to change some errors.
Have you tried writing down in the information about the person where there is an error.. deleting the person and then re doing them, for example if the wife of someone is wrong. write down the right information.. delete that person then re put the person in with the right information? and documentation that si wrong can be deleted. I know ti takes time and patience. Not everyone's tree is accurate as you say.
That is nice that you were able to find your male line that way. I am sorry that your other person didn't want to test. It is regrettable but understandable.
My maternal grandfather - James Melville Fletcher, an Australian descendant of the Fletcher family of St. Andrews, Scotland gives me a match to thieYDNA group of R - CTS241.  I also am a member of the Australian branch of the family.  So I am looking for people who match this Y DNA group.  I have found a distant male Fletcher cousin via Gedmatch with this YDNA type so I know that this is my maternal grandfather's linage.  The ADNA of this branch of my family connects to Clan McGregor. Any assistance or cousin connection would be much appreciated.  My DNA shows that I am a descendant of Pocahontas (Ancestry, MyHeritage and FTDNA DNA tests show DNA connection to the Powhatan nation) but the connection is 1680's according to My True Ancestry DNA results and therefore I am ineligible for membership to the Powhatan nation.  For me, it is more about proving my lines as correct. Of note, I have loaded my DNA to every site that accepts free uploads of DNA.
Hi

My surname is o'neill. I live in Ireland and this is my Paternal DNA is RCTS241
Hi ,

 My surname is Clark and my haplogroup is the same RCTS241. I tested with 23&Me and found that haplogoup. The man from Northern Ireland who matched with me was Hawthorne as a surname. We are 10 cousins and I found my third great grandfather also a Hawthorne born 1835 in South carolina. In 23 and me it does say that though I do not descend from Niall of the Nine Hostages directly as a male the common ancestor we have made his line as well as Mine. I understand that at some point my line is O' Neill but there had to be a woman who was a Hawthorne who get pregnant by a male O Neill at some point to give our family line the Hawthorne name from her maiden name as the DNA haplogroup is O Neill, Great to meet you cousin. I live in Colorado Springs CO!

 James A Clark Jr jcindyin3@gmail.com if you want to email me!
Hi Elizabeth!

 That RCST241 is the DNA profle from Niall of the Nine Hostages and at some point the Fletcher male line came from an O Neill male somewhere along the way. That haplogroup goes through Scotland, Ireland, Northern Ireland, England and many males do not have the surname O'Neill from where it comes but other surnames because of birth out of wedlock, adoption, affairs where the child born is given the legal father's last name and not the last name of the father the DNA is from.  My last  name is Clark. My Clarke last name came about in 1863 when my direct paternal 3rd great grandmother Patsey gave birth to my 2nd great grandfather Henry Morris Clarke. His father was a 2nd generation American of Northern Irish descent named Robert A Hawthorne Jr born in 1835 in Fairfield, SC. Robert died in battle during the Civil War June 27, 1862 in the battle of Seven Pines outside Richmond VA and Henry Morris Clarke was born in Roanoke VA Mar 1863. 23 & me gave em the haplogroup and initially told me I descended directly from Niall of the Nine Hostages in March 2019 and later last year updated to say I do not directly descend from Niall of the Nine but his line was created by the same man who created my male line saying I am from the O'Neill clan just not from Niall himself. As to the native American DNA I am in the same boat as you my connection to my full blood Native American line goes back to the 1760's and back so I am not able to access tribal membership either. It is good to note on your tree though!

 James A Clark jr
Hi Elizabeth!
On my paternal great grandfather James A Clarke's maternal line Phoebe Ann Clarke, we descend from Pochantas' half sister. It goes to Lucinda Diggs her mother to Lucinda's father Lewis Diggs then to his mother Susan Cabell ( all these people were enslaved) Susan's father was a Nicholas Cabell ( a slave owner) His direct maternal line goes back to Pochantas' half sister.
Thank you all for your info!  My brother tested FTDNA Y111 and came back R-M269. (Is this more specific?) The matches from there came back overwhelmingly with the surname "Maxwell" and they have a site       http://www.maxwell-dna.com/
Janice FTDNA is a good company. Testing at 111 is a very high level for males and it will get a result to first cousins. every level of markers is tighter circle for example 12 will take you to 1000 ad or CE. 25 markers to the late 1500's, 37 markers which is paternity family line to 1800's etc.67 markers to the 1900's  to 2000's and 111 to first cousins.

 My haplogoup on Family Tree DNA was first at M269 then refined to M312 with 12 marker test.  The 23&Me will give a more defined haplogroup.  Neither is wrong but 23&Me is more defined and they will tell you where the male haplogroup is from and if it is related to an individual who might be a famous person of the haplogoup if there is one attached to it.
Thank you!
Totally agree.  Ancestry is full of bogus trees.
Thank you!  My tree is private because I have theories.  I have tried to removing people and redoing my tree, but the inaccuracies continue.
CTS 241 means you are a white guy whose relatives came from England or Ireland or Wales or Scotland. That haplo group is at such a high level it is meaningless. It is thousands of years old, way before surnames were used. Millions of people are your theoretical cousins.

This is completely inaccurate. What Haplogroup R-CTS241 (also known as R1b1a2a1a2c1), means you HAD a direct male ancestor that was "white".  It does not mean someone is "white". The male ancestor with "white" features could have been hundreds of years ago because this haplogroup has spread very far. 

It originated in a male less the 10,000 ( yes 10K) years ago. It is a relatively common haplogroup. Believed to have started with the Celts in Ireland and spread to Scotland, Briton, Wale and farther after 10k years ). It "is also present at lower frequencies throughout Eastern Europe, Western Asia, as well as parts of North Africa and Central Asia. The clade is also present at lower frequencies throughout Eastern Europe, Western Asia, as well as parts of North Africa and Central Asia."

The Line goes about as follows. 

Haplogroup A - 275,000 years ago in Africa

Haplogroup F-M89 - 75,000 years ago in the area of the Red Sea, Saudi Arabia, Southwest Asia

Haplogroup K-M9 - 53,000 years ago. They migrated through the Middle East, but spread to Central Asia, Central Europe, and East Asia. This is a very important haplogroup to the world. over half of the patrilineal lines of the world came from this haplogroup.

Haplogroup R-M207 - 30-35,000 years ago, was from Central Asia.

Haplogroup R-M343 - Spread across all directions from West Asia. Even backtracked in your ancestors' migrations. 

Haplogroup R-M269

 - Comes from the above haplogroup like all the others. However, this one arrived 10,000 years ago. Do some research on this group. It is interesting as this is a group that took many strides, and it caused genetic domination in many areas. 

R-CTS241- Shortly after R-M269, your haplogroup shot out from them. This could have occurred shortly before they migrated to or shortly after they arrived in Ireland. 

The reason I state one can have this haplogroup and not be "white" is simply that there has been a great deal of mixing since the haplogroup's arrival. For example, I have a cousin with this haplogroup. They are only 3% Irish and 19% English. The other 78% of their DNA was a mixture of Nigerian, Congolese, East India/Pakistani, Armenia, Russian, Lebanese, Arabian, Spanish, Portuguese, Southern Italian. I do a great deal of genetic research for my family, and it is a lazy and irresponsible response to assume anyone's race and ethnicity by their haplogroup. 

That is alot of info!  Thank you for taking the time to explain all of it!  I have not been able to find this info explained in one place and as concisely as you have done.

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YFULL shows DF13 • S521 • CTS241

by Jim Barrett G2G Crew (810 points)
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I also come from paternal haplogroup, R-CTS241. I am Female..
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Are you or your haplotype males from Rockland County NY?
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Both of you should go on GEDmatch and do Genesis.  https://genesis.gedmatch.com works with 23andMe and other testing companies as well.
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Bother my brother and I are on GEDmatch.  There were no other matches at this point.  Thank you for that!
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i JUST FOUND OUT I'M R-CTS241.ON MY PATERNAL SIDE...
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I am adopted and do not know my biological father.  My son is paternal haplogroup R-CTS241.  How can this help me find my biological father?
Your son’s Y-DNA won’t help you find your father. Your son’s Y-DNA follows his father’s father’s father’s line- not yours.

To find your father’s line through Y-DNA you’d need to have a brother or uncle with the same paternal line test.

You can also just use autosomal dna matches on Ancestry, FamilyTree DNA, 23andme, GedMatch, etc.
This doesnt make since, the SON is this guys biological son. This guy is adopted, not the son. So shouldnt the son's Ydna be the same as this guy? the guy was adopted so doing guys brother might not work cause unless the guys family adopted him and his own brother...
It won’t help.

Unless the biological father takes a 23andMe shares his results

We’re one out of 21

Rcts241 is the trunk of a very large tree.
Take both 23 and Me and Ancestry DNA and look for the closest cousins you can find.   They will lead you to your birth parents.
Since his sons Halplogoup is R-CTS241 his would be the same also.  So your comment makes no since.
Hi anonymous.

If you are a woman the answer given to you would be correct. if you are a male then the answer would not be correct that was given on April 27, 2019.  But the cousins who match you with a high level of DNA say first cousins, 2nd cousins, will help you find your birth parents. First cousins means that your father or mother is a brother or sister to that person. The grandparents of that person you match with at 1st cousin will also be your grandparents. That will be an autosomal test at Ancestry.com, 23&Me, Family finder at family Tree DNA.
CTS 241 is at a very aggregate level. Meaning a million people easily fall under it. It doesn't help, other than say he's likely from a UK line. You need to push the Y DNA down to a low level. That means Family Tree DNA's Big Y test. That will put you in the ballpark for the last couple hundred years and perhaps someone close has also tested which would give you a better chance at discovery.
I didn't do the Big Y at Family Tree DNA but I did do the Y line testing beginning with 12 markers and then upgraded to 25 then 37 markers in 2008. Ten years later I did get a match from a man in Northern Ireland who did match on all three levels in Nov 2018. He has been the only man to date who did match me looking for his paternal line. I was able to figure out  my paternal line not only by that test but because of another man who matched me on an autosomal level on three platforms. 23andMe, Family Tree DNA and Ancestry.com though 23and Me narrowed down his relationship to me in such a way that I understood this man who was born in 1965 and given up for adoption descended from my direct 2nd paternal line grandparents, confirming we share the exact same 2nd great grandparents, Henry Morris Clarke and Phoebe Ann Clarke. my great direct paternal grandfather James H Clarke, and an older brother and a younger brother. the younger Benjamin Abraham Clarke was this man's great paternal direct grandfather. I did find my 3rd direct great grandfather because of the Northern Irishman's test. Robert A Hawthorne Jr and got autosomal matches one from a descendant of Robert's older brother James Gibson Hawthorne through an illegitimate daughter Laurel born in Greenville SC in 1850 who is the 2nd great grandmother to a man living today in LA who is in his early 90's.  I have matches of Robert A Hawthorne Jr's grandfather Adam Hawthorne. A few of his descendants and tested and not Robert A Hawthorne Sr's children but his half brothers and sisters as Adam married twice. some of them are on this platform. While I appreciate and understand you are trying to help, the actual work has been done. You are correct CTS241 is a large group but with matches it can be worked out. My cousin 3rd cousin born in 1965 did research to find his father and found him. He paid Ancestry.com to find his mother and they found her. It is not always so clean as that. but you can find your family but it does take effort.
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My surname is Hodge. We have a 'missing link' to our European ancestor. I live in Texas and the male line goes back some generations prior to that in this state.
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If any or all of you could say where in Europe your family lived, it would help all of us.  I know all of their moves once in the US and am much more fascinated by their lives in Europe.  We need locations.
The interesting part of this is that my family has both Alexander and Hodge, and you have the same male haplogroup.  Can you track your family for the last 300 years?  I'm wondering if we could be distant cousins.  My father's paternal grandmother was a Hodge.
Hi Susie. I am new to this site. I took a screen shot of what I have on ancestry.com starting with my great gf but I guess I can’t post photos on here? Let me know if there is a way to do that or to send it to you another way. I don’t know if it is 100% correct but should be close. No one seems sure about John DeBoe. That is where our research ends. I would love to find out whether that is an accurate name for him, more about him and where he was from... who his parents were. I think he was our first Hodge to come to America. My grandfather was James Clarence Hodge and he was named after his grandfather, Dr. James C Hodge. I’m hoping someone here has my missing link!

In the meantime, where do you think the Hodge’s originated? I haven’t even read through this subject yet. I’ve been traveling.

Hope to solve the mystery soon!
Ms Hodge, I don't know if I can post my email on here but it is suzannetvls (at) msn (dot com).  That is an L after the V, not a number 1.  I found my Hodge line in KY, and I believe my line came from Blount Hodge.  I need more DNA contacts to establish this.  Have you taken a DNA test?  I am on 23 and Me, Gedmatch, and FTDNA.  Hodge is my father's grandmother's name.  Her father I believe was Elijah Frank Hodge.   At the time she married, she lived in Ohio.  Hope we can figure this out!
My aunt's first husband was a Hodge from Delaware. His name was Donald Hodge. I recall he was a ginger and very tall. He lives in Smyrna, Delaware.
Laura Hodge Garber,

Did you receive my email address?
my Hodges line

Comes from South Carolina
I just took Ancestry DNA and found some Hodge connections there.  The problem with Ancestry is that you can send messages all day long, and no one ever replies.  It's a waste of time.  Almost everyone on 23 and Me responds.
Not sure if this relates to your comment about “John Deboe”, but my fathers paternal haplogroup is R-cts241 as well. I have a direct descendant named John DuBose who would also have been the same haplogroup. It’s possible he could be who you are speaking of? The DuBose family tree has been heavily researched and mapped over the years by many and shouldn’t be hard to find on any of the genealogy websites!
Please contact me at suzannetvls (at) msn (dot com).  That is an L after V, not the number 1.  Since we have both Hodge and Alexander, it shouldn't be impossible.   Suzie
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I am haplogroup R-CTS241 and my last name is Hargis.  My paternal and maternal families settled in southeastern Kentucky.  It appears that R-CTS241 descended from R-M269, Niall of the Nine Hostages, (Ui Neill Dynasty), a ruler in northern Ireland and Scotland.  The Ui Neill dynasty ruled Ireland from the 7th to the 11th century, C.E.  I was not surprised with my ancestry results, 99% European.  If you wish to contact me, you can do so at HargisDL@gmail.com
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The Niall ydna is M222 but unfortunately 23&Me just confuse everyone by using the Niall tag for people who aren't M222.  They use this for anyone that is M269 so it is completely misleading.  People that are R-CTS241 are thousands of years separated from M222.  Nearly all M222 men have Scots and Irish names and have recent origins there.  Just very misleading by 23&Me.
@M Redmond  23andMe aren't the only ones who use this different naming system and then confuse it all by not sequencing deep enough to get past the region that has the highest percentage of M269. You have to either do fully sequenced testing or some kind of SNP Marker Testing to actually get any location specific details. My grandfather was Portuguese, born in Azores and lived in Douro River Valley of Norte Portugal.

I carry the Basque as well as the Jewish Marker and on the Basque note... I like most family are Rh-Negative. Several of the most rare in AB-Negative are in the family as I assume Rh-Negatives seem to be attracted to other Rh-Negative and AB-Negative (my son) must have one A-Negative Parent and one B-Negative Parent. Also Basque people have the highest percentage of Rh-Negative blood Factors and are very high on the percentage of them that is Rh-Negative around 40%!  

Real Reason they all say the same thing about being descendants of 'Niall of the Nine Hostages'? Is because they don't dig very deep and only test for the most prevalent Haplogroups and markers. That's why 23andMe gave me M269 claimed the Niall connection and yet gave me the Azores Marker and then expect you to figure out that can't be both. Because in my case, you can't have Azores Marker and the Niall marker at the same time.

You are either British, Scotch or Irish of the Isles or Portuguese born of the Azores like I am. But that still doesn't give me any admixes and only going to M269 dept of sequencing is lame. But they try to randomly guess most everyone that comes up positive for R1b anything.

Above 90% R1b is in Ireland and other countries get lesser percentages. But reality is they assumed everyone is naturally carrying Irish Genes, instead of from somewhere else. All their answers are canned quotes from around the web. They all act like they know more than they do and much of their information is full of errors just for that reason alone. Seems 90+ Percent means all settled lands by Iberians making up the 1st and 2nd most used languages in the World today are Spanish and Portuguese when the two Global Empires were created in what was called the 'Age of Discovery' of Henry the Navigator of Portugal!   ....and don't worry.... they'll probably make this all even more confusing by digging up his bones and claiming there are 10 Million descendants of Henry the Navigator soon enough!!! ;-P  ....just knowing I'll at least be on that one.... maybe or at least claimed to be! :D
23&Me test for M222 which is the Niall marker but they just confuse all M269 testers by using Niall and the Ui Neill in their description.  M222 is very far down the M269 tree under L21.  It is basically only Irish and Scots that carry M222 and of course their descendants in the US.  People that get only M269 on 23&Me aren't L21, U106, U152 or M222 because they test for all of them.  The subclade they don't test for is DF27 which is what most Portuguese and Spanish end up as.  My paternal ydna is indeed M222 and having the 23&Me test will give you that info.
23 gave me the Niall marker to, so what I do went over to FTDNA and Spent $$$$$$ nd found out that I am R-L21 which is R-CTS241, and now I need to spend more $$$$$$ to go deeper and find out what 23 told me already!! to bad a company can not start you at what you know instead of killing everyone with all thier hard earned cash and telling them the same thing just in a more confusing way!!!!
I don't know why 23&Me mislead people with the Niall moniker.  23&Me test for M222 so if you didn't get that at 23&Me your ydna is not the Niall of the Nine Hostages type. It all depends on people's interest how much they will spend.  I've spent a fortune on dna testing.  A lot of tests with ydna can be a long term commitment and can take a while to yield some constructive results.
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My paternal haplogroup is R-CTS241. My paternal line is Scottish and descends from Clan MacIain of Ardnamurchan.
by Marissa McKean G2G3 (3.9k points)
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Hi, I’m new here! I’m a female but I was able to get my dad’s haplogroup R-CTS241 from 23&me. I’ve also tested him with ancestry two years ago and realized he had a ton of cousins that don’t fit in our tree, matched with zero “Weigand” surnames, and had zero German. We’ve since deduced that his father was from an affair in 1918 in Baltimore, MD. I’ve done several close cousin trees and believe that his paternal grandfather was from the Rock Hall/Kent County area of Maryland’s Eastern Shore, but even with the triangulation I’ve done, I can’t seem to pinpoint the correct family surname. I’m waiting on FTDNA matching to be uploaded and available to see what matches we get. The closest matches on 23 and GEDMATCH were R-L21 which I understand R-CTS241 is a subclave of. Other than FTDNA matches, I’m not sure where to go next or what else to do - I’ve been doing genealogy research for about 5 years now, but still feel like a newbie. Any help would be appreciated!

-Erin

Erin.weigand at gmail dot com
by Erin Weigand G2G Rookie (200 points)
You can also upload the autosomal DNA to MyHeritage (free unless you want more details there).
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DNA analysis on the paternal line can be helpful. But for it to answer questions about a close relative, say grandfather or great grandfather, you will need two things. 1. Y DNA results at a very detailed level, Like FTNA Big Y. That is because most haplo groups that people quote are for a branch that's thousands of years old ( example CTS 241). Meaning a million people could easily fall under it. It isn't helpful. Secondly you need several male relatives to have tested at that level too. That is because Haplo Groupings become more and more detailed the more there are close relatives helping to pinpoint all the branches. For DNA tests to give you an answer on a close relative that you don't know about, it would be just luck.
by Buzz Adams G2G Rookie (200 points)

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