Family Tree Info for Nystrom Swanson Hammarström Olofsson

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I am pleased to be a new member of WikiTree and have made connections with Greta Lovisa Hammarstrom and her father, thanks to another Wikitreer, Eva. I'm sharing information on the names listed as they may help others with their trees.

I've uploaded two photos from my Ancestry.com work with sources, including a family tree depiction that shows relationships and children. I am following the Nyström and Swanson, Hammarström lines. I am not entering all the siblings and children. I am tracing the line back as far as 1700 for the male line. The female line through Greta Lovisa Hammarstrom, however, goes much further back, to my husband's (Gary Nystrom's) 7th great-grandfather Per Olofsson 1678–1740  BIRTH ABT 1678 • Knåda, Ovanåker DEATH ABT 1740 • Edsbyn, Ovanåker - sourced through family trees on Ancestry.com 

Sourcing for any of this line would be much appreciated

See you online.  ~  Deborah Nystrom (Wittbrodt)    ID is Wittbrodt-9

NOTES: Greta Lovisa Hammarstrom   1787–1884

BIRTH 30 SEP 1787 • Ramsberg, Örebro, Sweden

DEATH 24 NOV 1884 • Ramsberg, Örebro, Sverige

3rd great-grandmother of husband

WikiTree profile: Greta Nyström
asked in Genealogy Help by Deborah Nystrom G2G1 (1.6k points)
retagged by Eva Ekeblad
Just one more thing. Since these people were smiths and their lineages have been available, published on CD (well, books as well) for so long a lot of them will have made their way onto Ancestry (and the like) and then been imported to WikiTree.

So please be on the lookout for profiles already in the tree. If you find them, connect up to them instead of creating duplicates. Duplicate avoidance is an important fact about WikiTree.
Got it. I make it a point to run a search before adding, and WikiTree has some built-ins to help with that as well. Thanks!

3 Answers

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I've added sources for Greta's birth and an image of a household record with her parents and siblings.  Also added her mother.  Note that I haven't added a source for her death date.
answered by Matt Engdahl G2G1 (1.8k points)
Thanks, Matt!

We love ArkivDigital!!

There's been a lot of discussion about how to format the AD references - in 2016 there was a clunky template for doing it with links (while I was perfectly content to do it the way you did.

Then Maria Lundholm created a nifty web tool for making inline references, which I'm using all the time now:

https://apps.wikitree.com/apps/lundholm24/ref-making/ad-ref.php
Thanks for the link, Eva!

I was actually casting around (albeit very briefly) for a "proper" way of referencing, but had limited time.  I'll endeavour to pop back in and update using the tool.

I've added the references to Greta Lovisa and her mother's deaths too.  Note that the date in the post above:

DEATH 24 NOV 1884 • Ramsberg, Örebro, Sverige

Is for Greta Lovisa's mother, rather than her.  The correct date was already available on Hammarstrom-45

You should ask Maria to also add a link to SVAR using the NAD number in the Arkiv DIgital citation

If the NAD is SE/ULA/11069 then the URL to SVAR is https://sok.riksarkivet.se/?postid=ArkisRefSE/ULA/11069

Example

Wow, Gunn! You are as good as Magnus Sälgö with the dot maps!!

But, you know, Maria's tool already makes that link to SVAR.

;-) Ok not when I tested....

Edit now I doubled checked and yes you are right but she is not using THE NAD instead she checks the internal ID 6ae3e083-6cd2-46c6-ade6-c9bc6c7f75f9

<ref>Röke (L) AII:3 (1918-1933) Image 70 / Page 3

: [https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkivdigital Arkiv Digital] [http://www.arkivdigital.se/aid/info/v350192.b70.s3 page info] v350192.b70.s3 | [http://www.arkivdigital.se/aid/show/v350192.b70.s3 To page (paywall)] | [https://sok.riksarkivet.se/?postid=Arkis+{6ae3e083-6cd2-46c6-ade6-c9bc6c7f75f9}&s=Balder Riksarkivet]

</ref>

I guess the NAD name is more persistent?!?!!? using it ==> 
 

<ref>Röke (L) AII:3 (1918-1933) Image 70 / Page 3

: [https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkivdigital Arkiv Digital] [http://www.arkivdigital.se/aid/info/v350192.b70.s3 page info] v350192.b70.s3 | [http://www.arkivdigital.se/aid/show/v350192.b70.s3 To page (paywall)] | [https://sok.riksarkivet.se/?postid=ArkisRefSE/LLA/13324 Riksarkivet]

</ref>

This could be done maybe even better as I have done in Wikidata because you can in SVAR position you on the page see search for all women in Wikidata that are part of SKBL and have some associated records like birth records /death records .... link e.g. birthrecord Alexandra Skoglund

The idea is that we will have a meeting after the holidays and see also how person Archives in NAD can be connected to Wikidata ==> if a person in WikiTree is connected to WD then we ca find the NAD archive either by a search or using the webhub tool . We have also started to connect in Wikidata with "Gravstensinventeringen" and we have a ongoing discussion t get access to SDB to be used and check dates in Wikidata...

Maybe something that can be of interest for you is Riksarkivets TORA project we integrate with see wmse-riksarkivet-tora as you research back in the days I guess this project maybe will have information related to older locations in Dalarna.... see presentation from 2016 

I also had a discussion with Arkiv Digital that they can use what we do and maybe maybe you can have maps in Arkiv DIgital or better navigation using locations see T199907

I must say, I'm not testing it - since it was created I have been using it all the time when I use ArkivDigital.

It's not an undisguised URL, the link says Riksarkivet.

;-) undisguised or not using internal keys could be dangerous I can ask Riksarkivet what they recommend... the idea with NAD is that it should be persistent and the unique identifier for an Archive in the same way as Wikipedia has created Wikidata to identify a "församling etc" in an unique way and therefore was a good candidate to have in a template...;-)

Lesson learned with Genline is that odd keys sucks... 
-- over and out--

I understand, and will check it. Of course I should use NAD instead. Will see when I have time to fix it.

/ Maria

Thanks Maria another option less important (some people feels Arkiv Digital with the new Free SVAR will not be on the market soon) 

As you have the NAD number you can also link to the Swedish Wikipedia article ==> if you create a NAD template (if the community wants it) then the logic can be in the template for both SVAR and what extra you would like  

More info

  • Blog about it
  • The ambition of the wmse-riksarkivet-tora is to have all "församlingar" and "socknar on Wikidata ==> that we also could use the above technique to link to SOFI see Proposal

Thanks Maria another option less important (some people feels Arkiv Digital with the new Free SVAR will not be on the market soon) 

As you have the NAD number you can also link to the Swedish Wikipedia article ==> if you create a NAD template (if the community wants it) then the logic can be in the template for both SVAR and what extra you would like  

More info

  • Blog about it
  • The ambition of the wmse-riksarkivet-tora is to have all "församlingar" and "socknar on Wikidata ==> that we also could use the above technique to link to SOFI see Proposal

We have no good solution yet but the idea is also to "connect" the Church Administration "församling" with the associated parish "socken" see task T199893

If we do that then we can by using the NAD number "traverse" to e.g. SOFI and Fornsök as below

  • Church parish "församling"
    • use all the properties on that see above
  • Church parish "församling" -> to the parish "socken"
    • then use properties we have/or will have for a  "parish"
      • Parish code "sockenkod" 
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While paysite ArkivDigital (as used by Matt) has by far the best images, Riksarkivet SVAR is free of charge.

Greta Lovisa's birth record - Ramsbergs kyrkoarkiv, Födelse- och dopböcker, SE/ULA/11259/C/6 (1806-1827), bildid: C0001195_00134 - looks like this at Riksarkivet. She is second on the page, and her name happens to be pretty faint.

I use both sites, for somewhat different purposes. When I work on my own kinship network, I source the profiles mostly by ArkivDigital. When I work on profiles for other Profile Managers, who presumably are not subscribers to AD, I use Riksarkivet as much as possible, in the hopes that they will look at the images for themselves.

answered by Eva Ekeblad G2G6 Pilot (212k points)
Forgot to say that some of the ArkivDigital images - the household records 1860-1930, I think - are popping up at FamilySearch these days. Those arre also available at MyHeritage (where I have a research subscription, no family tree subscription).
Eva,

I was going to say something along the lines that a reference to the book itself (i.e. Ramsberg C:6 p. 122) should be enough, but the linked tool above makes it easy to include all the details with links and all - I'll definitely make sure to use that, it's great!
Hehe, that was my argument as well, in those old discussions. The real source is the book itself, and if you do Swedish research you soon learn about the numbering system (A B C E F et cetera). So with a book reference you could find the page at your favourite site, or even go visit Landsarkivet in the proper place.

I didn't love - or use- the template, but I use Maria's tool all the time. Wouldn't have found it, if she hadn't posted it to G2G while she was testing it. Thanks to me being old and set in my ways it now works with the desktop version as well as the web version.
Do you normally divide sources into primary and secondary?  I note that on Hammarstrom-45 there are a number of references to secondary sources being given as much weight as primary records.  Are there any guidelines around this (I just put in two headers to separate)?
Nn-aahhh, I don't think there is a recommendation for explicitly dividing up primary and secondary sources.

Sometimes secondary sources are placed as "See also".

There's been tons of discussion about what is a source and what isn't and how to format them - I must confess my eyes tend to glaze over. I just try to do my best on profiles I touch. I like it neat (and usable, like having the AID numbers copyable) but I'm not a stickler for reference formatting. Got enough of that while I was in Academia.

Haha!  It was partly the idea that you had to reference exactly as each journal required, and partly the subsequent rejections that got me.  You end up formatting the same article 1000 times before someone publishes it.  Gave up my doctoral studies and moved on with life - it's too short.  But it is nice to divvy it up between things "written at the time" vs. things that have been compiled afterwards.  My academic background is in archaeology and classical (art) history, and anything there written after 300AD is effectively a "secondary" source...  I guess I'll section it off if I come across it as I see fit at the time.

I am learning a lot about this process on WikiTree just in reading your commentaries. Thank you. I am a new amateur genealogist, but am all we've got, for the meantime for about 3-4 family tree lines, including Latin America.

When I import info informed by the GEDCOM that I have via a year's worth of work on Ancestry.com, the references / sources are included, though it is a bit of a mystery to me how that works, although I can see clean-up and removal of duplicates is important to do, during the process.

I am also GRATEFUL for the WikiTree X Chrome browser program that also saves me time in completing family lines.

I no longer use the template for ArkivDigital information.  A lot of my relatives come from the Åland Islands. There are several different sources for church book records all of which cover different collections.  Finish National Archives (FNA) are free; ArkivDigital (AD) has a paywall; SVAR does not cover it at all; Finland's Family History Association  (SSHY) is free through HISKI, free for early records and paywall for more modern references.  All of these are often used in a profile [Nordlund-41]. The source is the church book. To aid other researchers I try to identify where I got my information.  It might be correct to give only the church book reference, but not really helpful if some one wants to check.

Thank you Norm for the update about these sources. MUCH appreciated! My relatives come from four or more continents, so learning where to search for older and more contemporary sources is quite helpful with and without paywalls.

There was NO source for someone as recent as my husband's late Swedish grandmother who passed away in Detroit. Nothing on Ancestry.com.  I was able to find her death notice today in a historical Detroit Free Press .pdf , but only after a detective-style search using my local library's sign-on privileges to ProQuest's databases. I will post this as a G2G to help other researchers. As I appreciate here, learning about these pathways is invaluable. Thanks much!
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Thanks for your PM, Deborah. I might as well answer about Smedskivan here. Yes, it's an offline database of genealogical information for smiths and their families. It used to be sold on CD. These days it comes on a USB stick.

The smiths - not your village blacksmiths and farriers, but the smiths actually producing the iron by the old methods - moved quite a lot, from foundry to foundry = from parish to parish. So researching them is quite different from researching the farming families, who mostly stayed within one parish all their lives (or a few neighbouring parishes). So it's convenient to have the basic research already done by the specialists, to navigate by, so to speak. I look up the primary sources as far as I can - which is not always all the way back, because for the earliest times the specialists have been visiting other archives than the church records.

What they have done for Smedskivan is, basically, going through the church records for all parishes where there were foundries, and piecing together the families, who appear now here, now there. And, as I said, archives from the foundries and other historical archives. I guess they started at a time when they actually visited the physical archives and used card files for their database ;-)

answered by Eva Ekeblad G2G6 Pilot (212k points)
Such helpful info, as I mentioned above. Thank you Eva for the genealogy insights and clarification on resources used, specifically, in this case with the "smiths" - as in the original ironworkers of olde, and their family movement patterns in history.

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