Earls of Egmont, please could someone explain to me how a line becomes extinct

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Aside from the fact that they have no heirs,  I followed the line of Earls of Egmont down, and at one stage, I think the 5th Earl of Egmont died without children, and the title travelled over to a half first cousin, once or twice removed.   Wouldn't that happen in this case ? Or ? And if so why not. 

Sorry, If I sound uninformed but I am.  

I am writing a report for work about Mt Taranaki in New Zealand, the Mountains other name is Mt Egmont, named after the 2nd Earl of Egmont.  I thought it might be a good side line, because the report is about political issues.    

Earls of Egmont,  Earls in General ... Anyone in the know about extinction. 

Please and Thank you laugh

in The Tree House by Pare Chase G2G6 Mach 1 (12.0k points)
After about 1300-1400 in England titles were mostly granted to lawful heirs male of the body of the grantee.

"Of the body" means descendants only.  The title can go from the 15th earl to a very distant cousin, so long as the distant cousin is a direct descendant of the 1st earl, the original grantee.  But it doesn't go out through the brothers and cousins of the 1st earl.  It becomes extinct when the 1st earl runs out of direct descendants.  (The alternative, found in Scotland, is "heirs male whatsoever", which means you can go back to the grantee's father's descendants, grandfather's descendants etc)

"Heirs male" means all-male lines only.  The tree is pruned at daughters.  Likewise "lawful" means all-legitimate lines only.  Legitimate sons of daughters and bastards don't get a look-in.

Often this meant that the property descended through a daughter or sister and the empty title went to some cousin without the estates.

Thank you so much RJ Horace,  all those terms, and you explained them really well. I really felt the "order" of things.  yes

I think there has been a legislative change within the last few years enabling female heirs to inherit titles. Prior to that change, to the best of my knowledge, the only title that could passed to a daughter was that of the 1st. Duke of Marlborough.

I don't think that bill has gotten anywhere beyond being proposed.

This is an interesting list of peerages inherited by women.

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Succession of a title depends on the terms under which the title was created by letters patent.  The rules can be different for different titles.  The earl of Egmont was created by letters patent in 1733 with the stipulation that it be inherited by the male heirs of John Perceval, 1st Earl of Egmont.  When Thomas Perceval, 12th Earl of Egmont (1934–2011) died in 2011 there was no one left (apparently) with a direct male line only descent from the first earl and the title became extinct.  So, in this particular case the title could not be passed through a daughter; this is not true of every title

by Joe Cochoit G2G6 Pilot (224k points)
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Wow!  Amazing stuff!  Thank you for sharing your knowledge Joe Cochoit  yes

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The family line died out leaving no living relatives. "a half first cousin, once or twice removed." Might have been related by marriage but not a blood relative of Egmont.

by David Selman G2G Astronaut (1.1m points)

Thanks, David Selman, that was at the 5th Earl or maybe the 6th, so it probably fit the criteria, since it didn't become extinct till the 11th.   I feel so up with the play now. yes

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