Swedish Occupations and Pre-1700s Genealogy for Olofssonn & Eriksdotter

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I've been adding occupations and more recent ancestors Nystrom +  Swedish lineage, from a copy of one of three hand-written family trees done by my late father-in-law, Carl Axel Nystrom, b. Aug 7, 1917 d. 2008. Carl visited Sweden in summer 1973 to visit with his and the Swanson family relatives. 
 

I am also following up on what I'm learning in the Sweden project including the database Smedskivan.  (Thank you Eva Ekeblad.) I learned from Eva about the ancestry occupation patterns of smiths producing the iron by the old methods - as she references this database compiled by ancestry pros and how the smiths moved around a lot.

I have two questions: 

#1 - Occupations of Swedish ancestors / family tree transcriptions

I have occupations listed in a family tree including a smith, a smelter, a miner, etc. listed in our Nystrom family tree, along with farmers, soldiers and two mystery occupations. One was cleared up today as an error passed down in a family tree. I learned that the “Master page” occupation listed for Hans Hammarstrom, b. 1779 should instead read as Second Master Blacksmith, and that there were no "page" or nobility connections in the Hammarstrom line.

The remaining mystery occupation is that of “strether.”  Is it stretcher, or a transcription error? It is listed as the occupation for Anders Fredrik Nilsson (Fredrik) "Fredric" Nyström - Nyström-392 . His son Karl Fredrik became a smelter.

#2 - Pre-1700 relatives - Swedish project - Ok to add these two?

Pretty cool how the certification works to go into pre-1700. So, that said, I’ve worked through the self-certification, and now have two relatives that cross over into that zone. They are:

Per Olofsson  1678–1740

BIRTH ABT 1678 • Knåda, Ovanåker (X)

DEATH ABT 1740 • Edsbyn, Ovanåker (X)

7th great-grandfather of husband

and

Ella Eriksdotter

1680–1745

BIRTH ABT 1680 • Edsbyn, Ovanåker (X)

DEATH ABT 1745 • Edsbyn, Ovanåker (X)

7th great-grandmother of husband

There is one Ella Eriksdotter from (1690 - 1770) - but it appears she is a different person due to dates and locations. 

There are MANY "Per Olofssons.”  None have the birth date of 1678.

None have the location of Knåda or Ovanåker.  I’ve sloughed through 10 years of the “Per Olafssons” in WikiTree sorted by birth date and none seem to match, with Ella Eriksdotter as spouse.

Other than the references above, these two do not seem to be listed in WikiTree as far as I can tell, nor are they sourced except for family trees from Ancestry.com.  These two would also be the end of the line for Swedish ancestry that I can track back.

Please advise. Thank you in advance,


Warm regards, ~ Deborah Nyström

WikiTree profile: Fredrik Nyström
in Genealogy Help by Deborah Nystrom G2G6 (9.7k points)

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I see. "stretcher" is an attempt at translating "räckare" - which is a smith performing the second stage in the walloon method of iron production.

Seems he actually did "stretch out" the lump of iron handed to him by the smelter into a bar of iron.

http://www.vallon.se/wiki/index.php?title=Yrken has the different professions in Swedish and French :-)
by Eva Ekeblad G2G6 Pilot (416k points)
selected by Henrik Sundström
I woke up this  morning remembering that I didn't quote the French translation for "räckare", which was "marteleur" - which Google translate gives as "hammerman". In this case an appropriate translatioon.
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I'll take a look.

One thing I can say straight off: people born in the late 1600s in Sweden will very often be the end of the line, because it's about that time we start to have church records. And they're often very terse to begin with.
by Eva Ekeblad G2G6 Pilot (416k points)

And, for the Swedish speakers: the "Master page" must be Mästersven - I think Second Master Blacksmith sounds like a good translation.

Hi Eva, I was communicating in a PM with Deborah about that - it was definitely MästerSv(en), and the closest I could come up with was  "Second Master Blacksmith" - an option was "Deputy Master Blacksmith" but I thought that sounded too political/policey...  :)
I think I have used "Journeyman blacksmith" on occasion. And I know I have just left it untranslated and italicized many times.

What one would need is a list of the professions in early iron production in Britain - although it won't be certain that they corresponded exactly even then.
I don’t suppose we could set up a page with titles and professions  in general (with translations)?  Or maybe there is one? I often forget how I’ve translated certain things in the past so it’d be a good aide mémoire.
There is a very brief glossary https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Glossary:_Sweden - which is in WikiTable format (fairly hopeless to edit.

And there is this: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Det_gamla_bondesamh%C3%A4llet - which is a category structure and has a disallowed template as header. I'm not sure a category structure is the most appropriate format for a glossary. We had an inconclusive discussion in the Google group about ten months ago about scrapping it.

Might be time to discuss the format and return to working on the content. I think we should do that in the Google group.
Fascinating about the stretcher for metal concept and the 2nd order blacksmith (Master page.)  All appreciated, thanks!
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As for the pre-1700 couple, I'd say you have checked sufficiently for duplicates. Sweden is certainly not "full" yet in WikiTree.
by Eva Ekeblad G2G6 Pilot (416k points)

There is a greater risk of duplicates for Swedish branches that have been available for uploading wholesale, because they have been published somewhere in digital form and then spread to Ancestry, MyHeritage, Rootsweb etc. So the smiths on Smedskivan may well have arrived here already; there are also certain parishes, like Grangärde, that have spread across the Net, because somebody has made a database at an early stage. I don't recognize Ovanåker as such a parish.

The pre-1700 couple has now been added, the Swedish, Ovanåker area:

Per Olofsson 1678–1740

BIRTH ABT 1678 • Knåda, Ovanåker    DEATH ABT 1740 • Edsbyn, Ovanåker 

 

and

 

Ella Eriksdotter 1680–1745

BIRTH ABT 1680 • Edsbyn, Ovanåker  DEATH ABT 1745 • Edsbyn, Ovanåker

7th great-grandmother of husband

There were several children that I've added.

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