[Czech/German Translation] Logic needed... who is Jakob's mother?

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We have this gentleman who was born in the 1800s in the Czech Republic. In his marriage record and some other records, his mother is listed as Ludmilla Vrba. Over and over, it's Ludmilla Vrba, and his name is given as Jakob Drozda, and a few times his father's named as Wenzl Drozda (such as his marriage record!). I couldn't find a baptismal record for him, so on a whim, I had looked up a Jakob Vrba, son of a Ludmilla Vrba.

I found one, imaged below, in Bezpravovice during the year 1817... (Polen 07, Image 114).

It appears here his mother's name is Ludmilla Vrba, at least, with her parents being Jakob Vrba and Anna.

At this point, I looked for any baptismal record I could find for a Ludmilla Vrba. I couldn't find one that fit her age in the Polen books (I went through a lot of those...). So I decided to look for a marriage record instead, between a Wenzl Drozda and a Ludmilla Vrba.

I thought I might have found it, but I'm having trouble determining if it's Ludmilla Vrba or Ludmilla Blaha. Here's the image (Polen 09, image 75):

At the time of their marriage (1826), Wenzl is 40 and Ludmilla is 36. First thing to note is that this appears to be Ludmilla Blaha, not Ludmilla Vrba. Ludmilla in this record has a father named Jakob and a mother whose name I cannot read... maybe it's Anna, I can't tell.

It made me want to go looking for a Ludmilla Vrba again in baptismal records, plus or minus five years of the calculated birth based off this marriage record (1790 +- 5 years). I didn't find a Ludmilla Vrba. I did find a Ludmilla Blaha born and baptized on 13 Nov 1792 (Polen 07, image 100).

As we can see, this Ludmilla Blaha has a father named Jakob and a mother named Anna... no idea what Anna's surname is in any of these cases.

My thoughts are one or more of the following:

  1. Ludmilla lied about her surname when she was getting Jakob's birth/baptism recorded to hide that he was born out of wedlock; Jakob's parentage remains unknown
  2. Ludmilla had Jakob with Wenzl Drozda, and he later legitimized Jakob
  3. Jakob and Ludmilla lied about Wenzl Drozda being Jakob's father

Are these records pointing to the same woman, or a different one altogether? Did I miss Ludmilla Vrba's baptism and you found it on your own?

Edit: To confuse things further, Ludmilla has a daughter named Anna on 25 Oct 1820, in Bezpravovice, with a record that looks like this... and Ludmilla's surname here is clearly Blaha:

WikiTree profile: Jakob Drozda
in Genealogy Help by G. Borrero G2G6 Pilot (104k points)
edited by G. Borrero

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Starting looking at the marriage:

At the time of their marriage (1826), Wenzl is 40 and Ludmilla is 36. First thing to note is that this appears to be Ludmilla Blaha, not Ludmilla Vrba. Ludmilla in this record has a father named Jakob and a mother whose name I cannot read... maybe it's Anna, I can't tell.

It reads "Ludmilla Blaha, a daughter of Jacob Blaha and Anna born Heytmann from Prawowitz".

The same mother Anna Heytmann from Prawowitz as in the birth record of Jacob (Image 114)!

As we can see, this Ludmilla Blaha has a father named Jakob and a mother named Anna... no idea what Anna's surname is in any of these cases.

It reads Anna Heytmann, a farmers daughter from Prawowitz.

So, there is a strong guess that these entrys point all to the same person. Assuming that "Vrba" was a mistake, most of the facts come together. Let's try to sort things out by putting it into chronological order:

  • In 1792 Ludmilla Blaha was born to Jacob Blaha and Anna born Heytmann.
  • In 1817, Ludmilla's child Jakob was born; her surname seems to be recorded wrong (could also be a mistake / wrong heard) by the priest!
  • In 1820, her child Anna was born, later legitimated ('legitimata per subsequens matrimonium', aka legitimized by marriage, dated to Sep 17, year not readable), but this addon to the entry was crossed out and corrected to the surname "Blaha". Not sure why, but the date (year) would be of interest, should be after Ludmilllas wedding to Wenzl!
  • 1826 Ludmilla married Wenzl Drozda and became Ludmilla Drozda.

The father (or fathers) of Jacob and Anna are both unclear. It does not necessarily mean that Wenzl Drozda is the biological father of them, and I would not assume it!

Ludmilla lied about her surname when she was getting Jakob's birth/baptism recorded to hide that he was born out of wedlock; Jakob's parentage remains unknown

I would agree, but the wrong surname at Jakob's birth could also be a simple mistake, since all other data is in coincidence.

Ludmilla had Jakob with Wenzl Drozda, and he later legitimized Jakob

It seems to be that he legitimized Jacob, but I would not make a guess on the parentage.

by Jochen Oberreiter G2G6 Mach 1 (10.4k points)
selected by G. Borrero
Thank you so much for this! At least that means I can build back on the Blaha line. It's interesting to note that later, in other records (like her son's marriage), her name is recorded as Vrba too, but I do think this was more a transcription error that stuck more than anything else, seeing as there's no Ludmilla Vrba birth record hiding around in the nearest 20 or so towns (... I checked the birth records for 20 parishes around that time frame, trust me, I know this, unless she grew out of the ground, there's no Ludmilla Vrba, only a Ludmilla Blaha). There is something suspicious going on with that woman, I tell ya, but I'm not sure what it is. Oh well. She'll fit right in with the rest of my ancestors. Thanks, Jochen!

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