A series of unfortunate events

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has resulted in the separation of Emma from her father and siblings; though they were clearly sourced in her profile.

Somehow we need to get her "William Gerard" merged with the "William fitz William fitz Gerald" she married. son of [[Fitzgerald-3030 | William Fitzgerald]]
Please don't be concerned about dates if you are looking at these profiles, they have been adjusted many times to fit their ever changing status. There may have been some unfortunate merges along the way, I am not at all certain that these profiles are still the people they were originally intended to be. The situation is not hopeless - I just want to gather the children of William fitz Gerald & I am sure the Gerrard one name study would like their Norman ancestry tidy too.

There are PPProtected profiles involved here - we need to -

remove https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/FitzWilliam-300 as the father of https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gerard-493 and then merge these two profiles (see Martha's request for help to correct her mistake with FitzWilliam-300)

Then we need to merge the above merged profile with that of William Fitzgerald https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/FitzGerald-2692

WikiTree profile: Emma Kingsley
in The Tree House by Valerie Willis G2G6 Mach 7 (79.3k points)
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PPP removed from Gerard-493
Thanks Isabelle, have removed the profile posing as the father & proposed the first needed merge.
Yea - had a moment of panic this morning when I thought I may have mislaid a generation but happy now, nice descent line that could do with a bit more research & sourcing. One straight forward merge still needed with a profile created in error but not able to be corrected at the time. The needed merge is with https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/FitzWilliam-300 if anyone could help.

Valerie,

Now that  you have some serious responses and help,  I'll add my first reaction.   
"A Series of Unfortunate Events"   seems a perfect title for a biography. devil
 

Already taken:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Series_of_Unfortunate_Events (my kids read the whole set, translated in French under the title Les D├ęsastreuses Aventures des orphelins Baudelaire).

And the Netflix series is actually pretty entertaining too.

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Before any merging takes place please make sure we have appropriate sources for these profiles demonstrating that they are the same people.

The current sources - Burke' Peerage and Burke's Commoners, are extremely poor sources for pre-1500 profiles,
by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (478k points)
So who used those sources? - answer, the original profilers, I checked them and updated links.

ps : Sorry - feeling cross, have been tracking down second generation Norman profiles needed for Irish projects for a few weeks now, there are some fascinating biographies to write.
I understand John to be recommending that improvements should be found, not making any assumptions of who added the current sources.

Thanks Lynda, that was certainly my intent.

George Ormerod in The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester, Vol. 2, p. 61 argues that the Gerard family are from Hawarden in the county of Flint and no relation at all to the FitzGeralds.

Although this is an older work, published in 1819, he does quote a latin document, referring to "Willielmo filio Gerardi" and from the pedigree at the bottom of that page, this is the William Gerard who married Emma one of the daughters and heirs of Richard de Kingsley.

I've yet to find anything that indicates the contrary; that they are descended from William FitzGerald, nor any sources that can be considered the least bit reliable that his son Wiliam fitz William FitzGerald ever existed and at this stage it's looking like he may be fictional.

Brilliant - but please leave a "disputed section" on all profiles affected, at both Welsh & Cheshire ends to avoid further misunderstandings.

The outstanding merge still needs to be made - if disconnected at one end or the other; perhaps both merged out of sight altogether?
For Irish sources, I find Burke's Landed Gentry pretty good for the male lines but an occasional mistake in what they viewed to be an inconsequential wife - and better than the central literature out of Britain on these families - often the problem is that people don't read all pertinent references within the same book.  Its also helpful to pick up all the reclaimed and extant recycled names.  And you should do your own proof to supplement and figure out the story and the social fabric of family interactions

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