This one's gotten me on pins and needles - Madam Lovett and all...

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I am working my way back down to Sir Edward Lovett Pearce, and the suspense has me on the edge of my seat. With this one reference, I wonder if I need to backtrack to doublecheck the ancestral line? It took me a good number of searches to find a linking ancestor. I hereby acknowledge a debt of gratitude to John Cherry for the work that he did on Pierce Moore (abt. 1600 - abt. 1670), which provided just the ancestor and leads that I needed. I felt like I had finally landed a grappling hook on a precarious rock climb. I've spent the better part of today just working on Pierce Moore's wife. 

Yes, of course I will want to, climb higher, but I am doing my best to stay focused to fill in the gaps and reach down to get parentage in place for Sir Edward Lovett Pearce, Father of Irish Palladian and Georgian Dublin architecture, Surveyor General of Ireland, and MP for Ratoath.

"Madam" Lovett, as she is described in the registers of St. Michan's church in Dublin, was a daughter of Pierce O'Moore, the second son of John Moore of Killinever by Mary Edgeworth, and therefore grandson of Murtagh Oge O'Moore of Queen's County, and great grandson of the Elizabethan rebel Roger Oge O'Moore. He was evidently one of the few who survived the attempted extermination of the O'Moore sept. If Mr. B. Bowen's article in the DUBLIN HISTORICAL RECORD of Sept. last is correct, it would appear that Frances Lovett was of kin to Thomas Moore the poet and to Theophilus Moore the "Irish Merlin," the first producer of "Old Moore's Almanack." 

Those are the words of the Rt Rev E Neville Lovett, CBE DD in "Mr Lovett Out of Iorland," Dublin Historical Record, Old Dublin Society, Mar - May 1941, Vol. III, unnumbered, pp. 54-66, as cited by the Combs-Coombs &c. Research Group 

Some of these folks in question were already on WikiTree. That I well know. Finding sources for those that are not is typically the larger climb. Another of the challenges is reading even older texts with their esoteric numbering and indentation systems for showing lineage and generation after generation of pedigree. 

Drop a line or take a peek at some of these... 

Post-mortem: I should have noticed that it plainly states Thomas Moore the poet who is (somewhere) in the pedigree.

WikiTree profile: Mary Moore
in Genealogy Help by Fann Fann G2G6 Mach 5 (54.4k points)
edited by Fann Fann

3 Answers

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Looks like you have a very interesting project going on here. I don't have any direct input at this time, but have you tried Corpus of Electronic Texts (CELT)? You can search all their books from one spot. I use this site as my goto site for more historical Irish information.

by Richard Devlin G2G6 Pilot (334k points)

Thanks for that. At some point, I probably will need that.

I will be amending the above, as when I was re-reading some of what I had cited, it turns out to be Thomas Moore the poet, not the Saint, who was being described as kin. (I thought all poets were saints, though? Ha!)

At the moment, I am winding down. I have the main build-out down, and if any descendants are ISO an ancestor, they likely can find where to key into this branch. 

In a related matter: I am betting that Col Bernard Moore Esq of Chelsea Plantation in King William Co, Virginia Colony (1716-1776) and his father Col Augustine Old Grubb Moore (1679-1743) - the most likely immigrant - are in this O'More line, but my only connection to them is through Elizabeth Todd (b. 1688), daughter of Thomas of Toddsbury in Gloucester Co (presumably VA) (1660-1722)  who married my 11th great aunt, Elizabeth Bernard (b. 1653). 

As usual, I have just constructed a new line of inquiry for myself. When I find in my Ancestry repository these tidbits, I always get drawn into the process of confirming sources and relationships, especially when a close descendant already appears in the mix.

Thanks again for the resource. I might find out that I have more Irish than I knew.

+1 vote

For the connecting line, a reference exists on a high bough that is incomplete for the ancestry of Col Augustine Old Grubb Moore, mentioned above, whose mother is relayed in this reference, as having been a descendant of The Poet More (and she married an unnamed Moore, it appears)…

Wm. Winston Fontaine, and Spotswood Fontaine. "Some Virginia Families--Moore, Bernard, Todd, Spotswood, Etc." The William and Mary Quarterly 19, no. 3 (1911): 177-84doi:10.2307/1915598.


The reader may note that Augustine Moore was "on the paternal side, of the same family of Moore as the Mayor of London in the time of King Charles II." Hopefully, that won't be too difficult to discern.

The Wm & Mary article names Elizabeth Todd's grandmother Lucy "Hickerson" instead of the apparently proven name of Higginson.


by Fann Fann G2G6 Mach 5 (54.4k points)
+1 vote

I am running out of leads for Col Augustine Moore's parentage.

Tell me this isn't a kick in the pants?

:Martin Wood of Melton Mowbray, 2003 

On another note, now a mission exists to give identity to the slaves who were named in his will... Several sections I have put in his name sake's profile page, Col Augustine Moore Jr.

by Fann Fann G2G6 Mach 5 (54.4k points)

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