fate of Sampson Richard Willcocks

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Hi Mark,

Have been trying to find Sampson's fate and also his wife Mary Ann Dutton, both presumably in the 1870s. Any thoughts? Your presence in Aust suggests you may be descended from his son who came to Aust in 1870s
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Children Rupert and Ada came out on the "Great Britain" in 1873 accompanied by Mrs Ann Willcocks (all spelt Wilcox in the record). No sign of Sampson as a passenger (possibly a crewman?).

Mary Anne Willcocks who died at Kew Asylum in 1883 was recorded as aged 60, which if strictly correct, makes her quite a bit older than Mary Ann nee Dutton - also noted that she had no visitors during the 4 months she was there. No other info in the inquest to give any other clue to this Mary Anne Willcocks.

Executor of Sampson's will was Sam Letchford, his brother in law (married to Mary Ann's sister Eliza) and his residence was Middle St for a time.
WOW thank you very much Gary that is information I didn't have about my family and now I know the Great Britain is in Bristol for visitors to look at I'm keen to get over there to see it and around Devon where my family is from.   May I ask what your interest is in this, are you family or related somehow ?

Mark
The Mary Ann and Eliza noted were children of Richard Dutton. Richard's sister Mary Ann was my GG Gmother and she came out in 1849 with her family and her brother Thomas and his family. So I am descended through the Dutton line and we will be related somehow, Mark.
Well isn't it a small world !?

I'm very pleased to meet you even if it is only online.

Mary ann Willcocks (Dutton) was my GG grandmother so yes we are distant relatives.

I was reading about the house Sampson was staying in at the time of his death and it turned out that Eliza owned it and the one next door and at the time of her death she owned 3 houses ! 2 in Ascot Vale and one in Moonee Ponds, very well done her and Samuel !

I also read a very sad coroners report on her death by drowning fully clothed by the St Kilda pier I felt so sorry for her, you probably already know all of this but I did find it sad.

Sorry I haven't been able to offer any info on Mary Ann but I will keep looking.

cheers
Greetings to you, too, Mark. Had to sit down and work this out, but by my calcs we would be 4th cousins once removed. At least you still have the Willcocks name - I've gone through 4 ladies, so 4 changes from Dutton.

Sam was a good shrewd businessman from what I have read, although the 1890s depression hurt him. He was the executor of my GG Gfather's estate as well as another Dutton sister in law. He was also involved in a number of community groups, so something of a pillar of the community.

Eliza's death was very sad from what I have come across. Something of a shock/disappointment from the family's perspective.

Best wishes,
Good morning Gary,

I don't have any real news for you but I found something interesting while looking through records. You may already know but I had a look at the will of Eliza Letchford (Dutton) and noticed she had left her houses to her two daughters, but with the house at 71 Middle st Ascot Vale she also left her piano to one of them. The interesting thing is that 71 Middle st was up for sale recently and I looked at the internal pics the real estate agent had put up and noticed there was an old piano in the house as well as some very old relics like a butter churner and I wonder if the house had stayed in her family all this time ?

Cheers and all the best

Mark
Was 71 one of Eliza's properties? The departing owners have no connection with the family, so appears to be an unknown. A nearby property is still in family hands, but has no knowledge abt 71.

Hi Gary,

I don't know if you have looked at Eliza's will on the public records office Victoria website; if not click on this link https://prov.vic.gov.au/search_journey/select?keywords=eliza letchford

in her will she leaves 40 Wordsworth st, 69 Middle st and 71 Middle st Ascot Vale to her daughters Ruby and Florence.

Sampson Willcocks will has his address as Middle st Ascot Vale so I can only assume he and Mary Ann (Dutton) lived in one of Eliza and Sams houses.

Cheers

Mark

Just a quick observation - the piano noted in Eliza's will is a Lindahl, while the one in the Estate agent's spread is a Wertheim. Descendants are still in the presumed family home nearby, so I wonder if there has been some renumbering at some point. Just a thought - nothing is known about the present 71 being connected to the family. Disappointing to not have any further info on that.
Thanks for that, I didn't even think to look at the make of piano.

My family and I lived in the Parade, Ascot Vale 1976-1980 and I had no idea all of this family history was just up the road.

Hopefully we can find out something about Mary Ann (Dutton) at some stage.

Cheers

Mark

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Seven Oaks ,Kent England,Marriages,Sampson Richard Willcocks,

4th Quarter 1860, Seven Oaks,Kent England.
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sorry, I just seen the question. somehow notification email went to my junk mail. Anyway Sampson died at sea in 1887 aboard a ship registered in New Zealand called the "Olive" he was my great great grandfather, his son Rupert Allison Willcocks lived at 259 Mt Alexander rd Ascot Vale next to the tram depot where he worked as an inspector.
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