I have a problem with two James Lively's linked as the sons of [[Lively-579|Turner Lively, Sr.]]. [[Lively-889|James Lively]] (1837 - 1869) FaG#7876882] and James J. Lively (1843 - 1917)[FaG#174636364]
1.) I have [[Lively-889|James Lively]] listed in the 1850 Census records with the [[Lively-579|Turner Lively, Sr.]] Family, but with only one Child named James, born about 1836. And in the 1860 Census in his own household and married to a Maria and a daughter named Mary E.. I have a MArriage of James Lively and Margaret Eliz. Sudder, in 1866 in Illinois. He died in 1869 in Illinois.
2.) The FindAGrave Memorial for James Lively agrees with the above and specifies that he was born January 10, 1837, in Illinois, to Turner and Nancy (Atkins/Adkins) Lively, in Lively Prairie, Randolph County, IL. Birth date from the "Lively's of America" book.
3.) I have a James J. Lively in the 1870, 1880, and 1900, Federal Censuses i Minnesota., plus the 1875, 1885, 1895, and 1905, Mennesota State Censuses. In the 1870, 1875, and 1880, censuses, he listed as born in Illinois, in 1834/35, 1837, and 1837, respectively, and with a wife named Maria and (Eldest) daughter named Mary E.. In the 1885 Census, he is listed born in 1837 in Illinois, with no wife. The 1895 Census does not list anyone else in the household. The 1900 census has him living with his son-in-Law and daughter, again in Minnisota.
4.) The FindAGrave Memorial for John J. Lively lists him born 10 Jan 1843 (rather than 1837) in Sparta, Randolph County, Illinois, and survived by two brothers, Martin and William Lively of St. Louis, Mo.; one sister, Mrs. Margaret Durham, Sparta, Ill., all children of Turner Lively.
5.) I can find no earlier listings for John J. Lively.
So, they cannot be the same person, yet only one is the son of Turner Lively per the Census records.
1850 Census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8P1-D13
1860 Census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXHD-VT8
Marriage:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KF2K-VFY
Illinois Soldier Burial Places:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVY9-M87V
Find A Grave:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/127118651/james-lively
1870 Census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDHC-F2C
1875 Census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKNP-LLG
1880 Census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ9V-2C6
1885 Census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQXL-H42
1895 Census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ6K-9ZX
1900 Census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M938-QY7
1905 Census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPSB-Z46
Veterans Administration Pension Payment:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJDQ-S8SD
Any suggestions?