Sarah Ann Giles Marriage

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I have Sarah Ann Curtis nee Giles who was born in Kent, England.

She was a servant in 1881 as Giles and Living with her mother in 1891 to 1911

She had two children Charles and Alice Curtis I am thinking she married after 1881 census and before 1891 census

This is what I have so far

  1.  "England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2NZB-4YY : 1 October 2014), Sarah Ann Giles, 1861; from "England & Wales Births, 1837-2006," database, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Birth Registration, Canterbury, Kent, England, citing General Register Office, Southport, England.
  2.  "England and Wales Census, 1871", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF8P-ZQ1 : 12 December 2017), Sarah Ann Jiles in entry for Benjamin Jiles, 1871.
  3.  "England and Wales Census, 1881," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK61-GH59 : 11 December 2017), Sarah Giles in household of Jane Ann Kidd, Canterbury St Peter, Kent, England; from "1881 England, Scotland and Wales Census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing p. 5, Piece/Folio 960/48, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey; FHL microfilm 101,774,443.
  4.  "England and Wales Census, 1891," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKD8-NT2 : 11 December 2017), Sarah A Curtis in household of Hannah Giles, Canterbury, Kent, England; from "1891 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO RG 12, Kent county, subdistrict, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
  5.  "England and Wales Census, 1901," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9F8-741 : 8 April 2016), Sarah Ann Curtis, Canterbury, Kent, England; from "1901 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing Canterbury subdistrict, PRO RG 13, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
  6.  "England and Wales Census, 1911," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW6M-H56 : 2 August 2017), Sarah Curtis in household of Hannah Giles, Canterbury, Canterbury, Kent, England; from "1911 England and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO RG 14, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
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in Genealogy Help by Steph Meredith G2G6 Mach 8 (81.2k points)
edited by Ellen Smith
So what exactly is your question?
Sorry I am trying to find out who she married

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There may never have been a Mr. Curtis.

This is the household Sarah was living with in 1881, she is on the following page with James Kidd's children. Good candidates for father of her children are James Kidd or John Kinmont. There is a remote third possibility within the household, James Kidd's son (on the following page), William, aged 14 years.

Euphemia K Kinmont

England and Wales Census, 1881

Name Euphemia K Kinmont
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Canterbury St Peter, Kent, England
Registration District Canterbury
Residence Note St Peters St
Gender Female
Age 55
Marital Status (Original) Widow
Occupation Florist & C
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1826
Birthplace Scotland
Page Number 4
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 960/47
Affiliate Record Type Household

Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace

Euphemia K Kinmont Head F 55 Scotland
Jane Ann Kinmont Daughter F 24 Bishop B?Ckland, Durham, England
Margaret Kinmont Daughter F 21 Bishop B?Ckland, Durham, England
John Kinmont Son M 17 Addington, Surrey, England
James Kidd Brother M 35 Scotland

Citing this Record

"England and Wales Census, 1881," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27W-N7X1 : 11 December 2017), Euphemia K Kinmont, Canterbury St Peter, Kent, England; from "1881 England, Scotland and Wales Census," database and images, findmypast(http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing p. 4, Piece/Folio 960/47, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey; FHL microfilm 101,774,443.

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England and Wales Census, 1881

by Deb Durham G2G Astronaut (1.0m points)
selected by Susan Laursen
thank you Debs

The 1891 shows the following

Hannah Giles: Head

Sarah Curtis Daughter

Charles Curtis: Grandson

Alice Curtis: Granddaughter

So think Mr Curtis belongs somewhere as the children took his name at some point

This is very likely your Sarah and, if so, would indicate she never married. "Mr. Curtis" was likely just a convenient way to save face.

Sarah A Giles

England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007

Name Sarah A Giles
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year 1954
Registration District Canterbury
County Kent
Event Place Canterbury, Kent, England
Age (available after 1866) 93
Birth Year (Estimated) 1861
Volume 5B
Page 236
Line Number 35

Citing this Record

"England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVC6-X72F : 4 September 2014), Sarah A Giles, 1954; from "England & Wales Deaths, 1837-2006," database, findmypast(http://www.findmypast.com : 2012); citing Death, Canterbury, Kent, England, General Register Office, Southport, England.

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England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007

Well that seems to solve that problem so maybe she was having a relationship with Mr Curtis without the marriage and it was just easier to change the children's names in those days :)
Taking a different name, with no one being the wiser, used to be extremely easy. Who would know, or even ask? People didn't have to provide proof of identity back then.
You might make more headway by obtaining death records for the children if possible.
I'd like the "young master impregnating the housemaid" theory more if there was only one child. It seems unlikely that the scenario would be repeated eighteen months later.
Ha! You'd be amazed by the shenanigans I've seen since getting into this genealogy gig.
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Charles GILES registered Q1 1882 Canterbury

Alice Maud GILES registered Q2 1883 Blean

No mother's maiden name for either.

So Sarah wasn't (yet) married and Mr Curtis may not have even been the father.
by Matthew Fletcher G2G6 Pilot (103k points)
Thank you Matthew

I am thinking that the children just took Mr Curtis' surname.
Yes, if he even existed. I can't find any evidence of this marriage and by 1901 Sarah is described as a widow.

Charles would have been 9, not 10, for 1891 census but I think that's just a mistake. If he'd really been 10 he would have been born for the 1881 census and Sarah was working as a housemaid then.
Not if he were born after the census was taken.

Edit: Census date is 3 Apr 1881. That leaves nine months for his birth to occur in 1881. Since his birth was registered in the first quarter of '82 he could well have been born in the last quarter of '81.

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