Is it Okay to add another son for John Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury?

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Presumably adding children to a protected profile is a significant change. Want to add Christopher, who was killed in a tournament by Griffith Vaughan leading to Vaughan's summary execution. Christopher is listed as son in Wikipedia. Add the other Wikipedia children at the same time?
WikiTree profile: John Talbot
in Genealogy Help by C. Mackinnon G2G6 Pilot (263k points)

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+4 votes

Yes but ....

The Wikipedia article looks to be a pretty poor source at least for Sir John Talbot's children with very few inline citations in that section.  There is a piece copied from one of Douglas Richardson's books (which is probably a breach of copyright) on the profile for Sir John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury that indicates the mothers of the daughters, in particular is not the same as the Wikipedia page.

In regards to Christoper Talbot, there is a correction to The Complete Peerage that mentions his death citing The Calendar of Patent Rolls, 1441-1446, which is here   It has the name of his man as Griffin Vachan, but doesn't indicate he was killed in a tournament, though I guess if he was killed by a lance, that could be the assumption (?).

by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (458k points)
Interesting that the Calendar of Patent Rolls states the lance that killed Christoper Talbot was worth 2s. (shillings?) - maybe Griffin Vachan stole the lance as well?
Might not have been a tournament. Griffith was outlawed and subsequently summarily beheaded.

The plot thickens - earlier on p. 281 in the same volume of the Patent Rolls, Griffith Vaughan and what sounds like various kinsman were deprived of their lands "for reason of their treason for which they were outlawed".  Sir Christoper Talbot on p. 136 and 194 is described as the king's knight maybe killing a king's knight was the same as killing a king - hence the treason?

Sorry I didn't see your comment

The listing of the value of the lance didn’t mean it was stolen. The value of the item that caused a death is usually recorded in coronial records. It’s called a ‘deodand’ and the value of the item was then supposed to be donated to charity.
+1 vote
Thanks, John, for the source. Didn't know it was online. Spotted some bits for more intractable people in our line. Off to mine it while I await the Viking merges. Is there a Wikitree list of these things?
by C. Mackinnon G2G6 Pilot (263k points)
If you mean a list of online sources there have been efforts to make such entries, but you have to find them. The best websites I know for finding online sources are those of Chris Phillips and Joe Cochoit.

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