Spic-n-Span Scandinavians Team Chat, Source-a-Thon 2018

Question

This post is where our team can "chat", perhaps introduce yourself or what you will be working on and post questions during this years Source-a-Thon.

You can find the unsourced lists for Scandinavian countries on the Spic-n-Span free-space page

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I den här tråden kan vi prata med varandra inom laget, kanske presentera dig själv, tala om var du fokuserar ditt arbete eller posta frågor som dyker upp under tiden för Source-a-Thon-tävlingen.

Listorna för skandinaviska profiler utan källor hittar du på teamets sida, Spic-n-Span free-space page

Answer 1

I am the other captain for Spic-n-Span Scandinavians and leader of Project Finland. My best work is done with Finnish sources.

Jag är den andra kaptenen för Spic-n-Span Scandinavians och ledare av Projekt Finland. Jag jobbar bäst med Finska källor.

Olen toinen kapteeni Spic-n-Span Scandinavians-ryhmässä ja Suomi-projektin johtaja. Työskentelen parhaiten Suomalaisten lähteiden parissa.

Answer 2

I am new to this type of challenge and I have two questions:

1. Do you mark in any way the profiles in the list you are working on, or just hope that not two persons are working on the same research; the risk might be small, but still exists.

2. Where do you find the "Challenge Tracker" - button? Is that visible when one has saved a profile, or where is it to be found?

I understand that this information might be available in other discussions/forums, but I thought it was quicker to ask my teammates!! :

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1. We can use this chat to make agreements on where to work. It can be a specific time or an error, and when it's done, just claim another one.

2 The challenge tracker will be in a green field at the top of the profile after you have saved your work.

Happy sourcing. 

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Thanks Juha! Sounds good!

Answer 3

I just wondered if I can do any good on your team instead of the midwest USA team. I have the Farm Books for Sogn og Fjordane. Would that be of any use to your team in Norway? I have no other sources and couldn't help with many other parts of Norway... Can I be of help to you or not? I say no other sources, because I don't speak or read Norwegian but manage to make out these books with a help with a Norwegian-English dictionary.

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I'm not familiar with the books but will ask our Norwegian member to answer you.

In the meantime, why don't you check the unsourced list for Norway to see if the location information is enough for you to find them in the books? On the other hand, I see some emigrants from Norway who could use sources as well. 

You would be very welcome to our team if you should decide to join us!

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Yes, that would be useful :)

I mostly use the farm books myself (I can access many of them from the national library, so I don't need physical copies) but I focus mainly on Rogaland and Hordaland, and haven't done much work in Sogn og Fjordane.

I do recommend inline citation to clearly mark what information you have from which book; new knowledge can always pop up later, and sometimes the books disagree, especially as you approach the 1600s - so it's good to know exactly where every little bit was found!

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I have found the Sogn og Fjordane a good source as much as I have been able to cross check them. My grandfather brought over a family tree and it and the Farm Books agreed completely as far they they went--- all the way back to 1602 on one line.

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Great, then you are joining our team! Don't forget to register in this thread if you haven't already and say you'll be joining us.

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I informed the leader of the Source-A-Thon that I wanted to transfer from USA Midwest to Scandinavia. Is that enough? I checked out your link. ---- Just to be safe I added my Answer there and my number which I think is 199.

Judy

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Judy, is the farm Fjæstad in any of your books? One of my family branches comes from there.

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I only have five of the ten books, and I don't have your farm in any of my books. Sorry. With the competition this month, I will be going through the books again and deciding which one I will buy with my birthday money this month. As I do my research, I'll be on the lookout for that farm and let you know which volume it is in and whether that is the one I've chosen to buy.

Judy

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Maria, I went ahead and looked at your ancestors, and they're from Hedmark, not Sogn og Fjordane, so they wouldn't be in Judy's books at all.

I found your Fjæstad people in Romedalboka part 3, at https://www.nb.no/items/URN:NBN:no-nb_digibok_2015050548058 (can only be viewed if you're in Norway), pages 421-422 and 425.

I won't be adding anyone tonight (long day) but I can tell you that the mother of Christen Olsen Fjæstad was Inger Simensdatter, and she won a prize for the fine quality of her weaving in 1796 :)

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Wow, thank you R! I’m on a roadtrip right now, but will look further when I get home.

Answer 4

I work on Norwegian profiles, mainly in Rogaland and Hordaland.

Odd name aside, I am Norwegian, live in Norway, can recognize a messed up Norwegian location when I see one, and have access to several of the Norwegian farm books online, as well as a selection of physical books from the local library :) I also know my way around a couple digitized primary source archives.

(I'll be working during the source-a-thon weekend, and I have a toddler-sized timesink at home, so I probably won't be able to do as much as I'd like to)

-Rakelle

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Rakelle, we are a non-competitive team. Even Juha and I who are leaders of the team have to work part of the weekend, that's just life.

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Oh, I know :)

I just decided I might as well mention the planned semi-absence.

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I'm glad you said that about non-competitive :-)

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I see this event as a chance to work together and get acquainted with some other members interested in Scandinavian profiles, not as a competition. Better to add quality sources at your own pace than feel a need to rush through the unsourced lists.

But I admit, it is quite impressive when you hear how many profiles that actually have been given sources when the "thon" is over.

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If you're doing Hordaland, I will be asking your advice for some of my ancestors in and around Bergen... after the Source-A-Thon.

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I mostly do Hordaland as I run into it, which tends to be the southern part and the Hardanger area, but if you have farmers near Bergen that I can locate a book for, I'd be happy to try!

Answer 5

I am starting to look up my sources (I thought it was this weekend, oh, well).

But I have a problem. My Berlitz tourist translation dictionary doesn't contain any of the words I need to translate the Farm Book, and I think i'm missing something.  Could someone translate the following for me please?

In talking about Anna Andersdotter frå Fuhr and then her husband Hermund, ---Ho hadde vorre gift før, men me veit ikkje namnet på den første mannen hennar. Det vert fortald at ho rømde frå han, og det var med løyve frå Kong Christian IV at ho fekk gift fekk gifta seg att. Anna var truleg f. kring 1605, og me trur ho d. kring 1665.  Hermund vart sidan gift tredje gongen kriig 1670 med ei Anna Rasmusdotter som  truleg var f. kring 1640, men som elles ikkje veit meir om. ---It goes on from there to discuss Anna Anderdotter's sons.

This is Andersdatter_Fuhr-1

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It reads something like this; 

She had been married before, but the name of her first husband is not known. It is told she ran away from him and it was with permission from king Christian IV that she was allowed to be wed (again?). Anna is estimated to be born about 1605 and died about 1665. 

Hermund was later married a third time, around 1670, with Anna Rasmusdotter who was probably born around 1640, nothing else is known.

I assume the permission from the king was to allow her to marry again, even though she technically already was married, hence the parentheses and questionmark. 

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That's how I'd understand the king's permit as well.

(And as that book is written in pretty heavy nynorsk, it's no wonder Berlitz can't cope!)

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Can you recommend a better dictionary that I might be able to find on Amazon to  translate it with? I need it by next weekend, so if I can find it at Borders, it is even better.

And Thanks very much.

Answer 6

Just a few more minutes to go before the Source-a-Thon starts!!

Will start sourcing soon as I have to work this evening, wish you all a good sourcing weekend!

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When is the start, isn't it tomorrow at 6 in the morning (CET) or so?

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No, it's not the same times as last year. It starts 8 AM (ET or New York time) and that is 14.00 in Sweden.  So, as of right now, it has officially started.

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Oops. So then it doesn't last all Monday?

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No, unfortunately, it does not. Just until 14.00 on Monday, Swedish time. Do what you can, every sourced profile counts and benefits WikiTree.

Answer 7

I'll be starting now with the first row on Finland.

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Yey! :)

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Hi Juha, I think you will have Finland all for yourself ;-D

I will start working on Sweden pre-1500 profiles and see what I can do about them.

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I will start in a while when a meeting is finished. I will focus on  Sweden 1800-1899, which is a large group of unsourced profiles.

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Juha, I have not done a lot of sourcing in Finland, but I wonder what site or data you usually use for the references? On the page below I just added a link, but are there better links somewhere, for example "permanent links"?

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Olofsson_Ahlbom-1

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https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Finland_genealogical_resources#Digitalized_primary_documents

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Here's an example of using both primary and Hiski.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mattila-143

Answer 8

I have made my first sourcing ever in a Source-a-Thon! 

Go  Spic-n-Span Scandinavians!

Edited: I have started from the top of the list for Sweden 1800-1899.

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Heja!

Answer 9

It is only 11:30 central time and I am already getting sleepy. I've been working since 8:00 my time, so I've gotten a lot done including name changes as I went along and checked the sourcing. In may case, they went together on my those profiles I' m responsible for. I can't wait until I finish those and can move on to some others. I won't be as fast, because I won't have the Farm books to look them up in. I just didn't add sources as I entered them, except for the Family Tree my grandfather gave me. Now to stay awake.

Judy

Answer 10

Well, I'm about to see what I can get done with a small assistant sitting in my lap, watching youtube and periodically grabbing my ear :D

(Assistant is 18 months this weekend :) )

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Human, cat or dog?

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Human, supposedly. Sometimes little cat, sometimes little imp :D

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A human is a lifetime commitment, a cat about 15 years at most and a dog, if large, is 20 at most. Boy or girl imp? My cat gets on my lap and wants to help or rather be petted. She is also easily distracted.

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I rarely see boys get called cats :) She does live up to it as a nickname; she loves investigating things and getting into small secluded nooks and crannies :)

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Mine little imp is 54 years old this year with two of her own at 32 and 28

Answer 11

Maggie's been drawn for a door prize!

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/668236/who-will-win-the-source-a-thon-prizes

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Thanks for alerting me! If not, I would not have been aware I had won something. Bummer that I had to be at work tonight and missed the actual hangout.

Back at home and will try to source an hour or so before it's time for bed.

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Glad I caught it, and congrats on the picture!

Answer 12

Just a reminder everyone, DON'T FORGET to click the Challenge Tracker button when you have saved your sourced profile! I know I forgot a couple of times :-o

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And check the privacy before finding the sources. My two last profiles were with a green padlock, and I didn’t notice until I had found the sources :/

Answer 13

I'm working from bottom up on this list:

http://www.softdata.si/wt/Unsourced_20180923/SWE/2_1800-1899_0.htm

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Great Maria!

I will join you on the Swedish ones late tonight and tomorrow, had to work a lot more than anticipated this weekend.... :-/

Answer 14

I'm  not attacking the official list too much, as I have a book from the library that includes one of the local Big Families...

and in wikitree, they're pretty much all just gedcom import mishmash :)

So I'll be spending the day in Torsnes in Hardanger.

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Thank you R for taking on that mishmash!

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I think I'm ready to move out of the Jondal book now.

It's been interesting to see which of these 'you may want to add content' gedcom imported people have been worth their salt, and which have been whiny buttheads :) (the fellow who blamed his father, in writing, half a century after the fact, for marrying below his (noble) rank doesn't exactly strike me as grateful that he himself was born, for one thing!)

Answer 15

I have been spending the day in Seljord, Telemark cleaning up and sourcing my own relatives profiles imported long ago from GENI but now I have copies of many pages of the bygedebuk and am using that to source ... also doing some Etne, Hordaland which I own the bygedebuks for

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Way to go Kitty!

Answer 16

What's the easiest way to find the unsourced profiles in your watchlist? I went to Find--Watch List and then opened the Unsourced folder, but it seems empty and that doesn't seem right. What am I missing?

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Maybe none of the ones on your watchlist have the unsourced tag?

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As R Teschner said, perhaps you don't have any profiles with the unsourced template on them? 

Another way is to generate an unsourced report for all the profiles you manage by going to Unsourced Profiles and enter your profile ID in the "Managed by" field.

By the way, you are allowed to count sourcing profiles without the template as well, but they have to be created some time ago. Adding new profiles and source will not count however.

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Going to Unsourced Profiles, I found some that were unsourced on my Wartch List. So I will do those next, then I'll start on the regular list.

Judy

Answer 17

Is anyone else having trouble with the tracker right now? I can't get any of the the tracking pages to load.

Elisa

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Me 2.

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Time for a break. I had trouble with the challenger yesterday, so I left it and had lunch. When I came back. all worked fine.

Judy

Answer 18

Well done everyone! I'll have to quit now, it's Sunday evening and I have work tomorrow.

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Thanks for your work Maria! I'm still at work and probably too tired to source when I get home... Will start early tomorrow, brew a pot of coffee and source until the final minutes!

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Thanks :)

I don't think there is any chance really, but if my name is on for a prize, and you can claim it by a greeting from someone else, then, just select any prize for me :D

Answer 19

Thank you everyone for your efforts. We have sourced a whopping 614 Scandinavian profiles. 

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Great! You that have taken part in several source-a-thons like this, does the number of unsourced Swedish profiles increase all the time (faster than us), or do we have any chance to catch up?

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This was my first Source-a-Thon. I had my 1 year anniversary @ WikiTree this weekend so I didn't participate last year.

The amount of unsourced profiles should steadily decline as new profiles should all get sourced when they are created. We do keep finding hidden unsourced profiles all the time, but I don't know if the lists of unsourced profiles are getting bigger.

Eventually we will have found and sourced them all.

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I would also like to say thank you to you all! You did a great job!

Would have thought I might have done a bit more on Monday but lost my internet connection the last hours of the thon :-(

The next big competition like this will be the Clean-a-Thon next spring, and I hereby extend an invite to all of you to come back and join the Spic-n-Span team then.

Once again, thanks!

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Thanks to you all! It was a pleasure to join your team and I would be happy to participate again! What exactly is it that should be cleaned during the Clean-a-Thon?

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In the Clean-a-Thon we work on the DataBaseError lists, clearing as many suggestions as possible.

If you go to the drop-down-menu under "My WikiTree" (available at the top of any profile but not in G2G) you will find the option to click on "Suggestions". Those are the suggestions for the profiles on your own watchlist. During the Thon in April last year, we worked on all the suggestions of WikiTree.

There is DataDoctors that actually work the errors all year round a well, just like there are Sourcerers who source all year round, but the Thons are fun cooperation and an effort to make the numbers go down.

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Thanks Maggie! Sounds interesting! Is it also region based? If so, I am looking forward to team up again! 

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Yes, it is also region based, each region has its own lists like we had now. It is actually from the Clean-a-Thon that the Spic-n-Span Scandinavians team name came from I think.