ok to make Van de Cuyl the final WikiTree ID for Jacob (b 1580)?

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Unless anyone objects, we'd like to make the profile Van de Cuyl-4 the final WikiTree ID for this person. The decision is based partly on the fact that he was the immigrant (from the Netherlands to New Netherland) and partly on an explanation provided by a member of the New Netherland Settlers project:

the Van version appears only in that particular time frame, when people left the town they are from, so then it is Jacob from Cuyl. But we would be wrong to change his ancestors to also be that "from Cuyl" form, because they did not leave.

His descendants dropped the van, so aside from him, this line would be Kool. Please note that this is a separate line from Cool (see the G2G post on that line) and also separate from the German Kuhl.

Please let me know before the 14th if you have conflicting information.

Thanks! Liz

WikiTree profile: Jacob Barentsen Kool
in Genealogy Help by Liz Shifflett G2G6 Pilot (466k points)

1 Answer

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Hi Liz, see Van de Cuyl-4 for my message. I think he only adopted 'Kool' in the New Netherland; I have yet to source Van de Cuyl, but my impression as yet is that there is no such physical place in the Netherlands (Cuyl sounds exactly like 'kuil' which means 'pit'). Regards, Philip (also his name if one should go on the validity of Ancestry.com Jacob Arentsen - not Barentzsen).

by Philip van der Walt G2G6 Pilot (158k points)
hmmm. seems like he needs to be on hold a bit. Arentsen and Barentzsen would indicate different fathers, right?

No not necessarily different fathers; maybe simply a (spelling?) mistake made all those year ago or very recently; again the algorithmic falsification of history through the harvesting of data compounding the problem. One really needs to get hold of original documents. That he was a farmer in Cole(slaw) after having been sailor is highly probable. Cool / Kool / Cole etc. Van de Cuyl could also mean as much as Jacob  - the one of the Coleslaw. De 'Cuyl' might also have been a place in the new settlement of New Netherlands, such as a physical lot of land or small holding; a 'dent'/'pit' in the landscape where Coleslaw was being grown.

I meant the Arentsen and Barentzsen. Doesn't one mean Arent's son and the other Barent's son?
Yes, if they are indeed different fathers. But I doubt it; seems like a typo or other mistake to me ...

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