Have I thrown a spanner in the works?

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OK I have gone out on a limb and thrown a spanner in the works.

Following a branch of the tree, I have Josephine Dutton marrying John Fox Jnr.

Josephine's parents are Thomas and Sarah (Kingdom)Dutton. Thomas was an eminent horologist.

Every online tree I have seen shows Josephine as being born 1801, in Holborn, London.

HOWEVER, On the 1851 to 1881 (inclusive) census returns, Josephine shows as being born 1804 (Nov 1803) in Johnson, Pembrokeshire, Wales.

The online trees show Thomas and Sarah having only 4 children (3 in London and 1 in Somerset). I have found 3 in Pembrokeshire, Wales and another 2 in Somerset. (Going by Baptism Records).

One of the children born in London, and one born in Wales have Kingdom as a middle name.

Dorothea, born in somerset shows on 1841 and 1861 census returns living with sister Josephine. On the 1851 she is living with her mother, Sarah.

Despite what the other online trees show, I am certain I have the correct solution to who Josephine is.

What do you think?
WikiTree profile: Josephine Fox
in The Tree House by Dave Welburn G2G6 Pilot (107k points)

3 Answers

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May I assume that the other online trees you mention have the same starting point as you, that is, josephine Dutton married to John Fox Jnr, with Thomas Dutton and Sarah being her parents?

May I also assume that those trees are unsourced?

You looked for birth records for Josephine Dutton in Holborn and found none?

Birthplace and censuses certainly all tie together. Her ages shown on the censuses also fit with the 1803 birth date, as does her death record.

It appears to me that you have indeed solved the Josephine question, whilst leaving the spanner resting on the workbench.

One interesting side question, though, is why were the two oldest sons, John III and Thomas Henry not on the 1841 census? Perhaps away at public school, given father's status and wealth? I assume having 5 servants indicates a certain social status and income.
by Jim Parish G2G6 Pilot (158k points)
There is a christening for the 1801 Josephine, which I have quoted. But now Helen Ford has found me a burial in 1802 for that Josephine (same church).

Thomas Henry died age 2 (burial sourced). Still looking into John lll
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Always follow the sources, not online trees.
by C. Mackinnon G2G6 Pilot (246k points)
I sometimes use online trees as a guide, but always do my own research. As this proves.
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I think that you have done more research than many people who create online trees , cat amongst pigeons will depend on if people choose to disagree!  (the evidence  you've found has some echoes on this UK forum, where a person asks about one of her sisters https://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-64244.html) 

I did find the burial of a Josephiene Dutton of Castle Street,Holborn on the 22nd April 1802   also at St Andrew Holborn, ( the same church that the first Josephine  was baptised  ) 

London Metropolitan Archives; London, England; Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1812; Reference Number: P69/AND2/A/010/MS06673/013

The census evidence you cite certainly consistently points to the Josephine that married J. Fox  being born in Pembrokeshire. It is also clear that Sarah Kingdom Dutton her sister,  moved to St Sidwells, Exeter and died there

As you cited  British Newspaper Archives from Family Search which doesn't have images, I looked up the wedding 'report'  and death notice for the father  on their website .Regretably they don't add anything except that they married on a Friday (and confirm that Josephine was a 2nd daughter)

Western Times, Saturday  27 March 1830

Marriage,

Yesterday morning at Heavitree, J Fox esq. surgeon of Cerneabbott, Dorsetshire to Miss Josephine Dutton, second daughter of Mr T Dutton of Heavitree

Western Times 25 December 1847

In St Sidwell's Exeter, in his 87th year, Thos Dutton Esq.

by Helen Ford G2G6 Pilot (294k points)
edited by Helen Ford
Thank You... the burial of Josephine in 1802 in Holborn, seems to prove that I am right. I have come across names being re-used after the death of a child, to keep a family name going.

It was the simple fact that Josephine stated on all census returns that she was born in wales, that started me researching. On one return could be a mistake, but on all returns???

Thank you again.

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