Updating profile with very little info any suggestions welcome.

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I am trying to update a profile on Mary(Godfrey) Bell. It list her husband Thomas Bell and her sone David. It also staes she was born 1800.

I have a record for a Mary Godfrey but the birth is off some years.

Do I need to double check the info on her profile before trying to match her record with any sources?

Since I first starting asking these questions I have found several Thomas and Mary Bell. They are both mentioned in several childrens England Birth and Christenings. All within the same time span being in same file/book. I think I am up to 6 and more to look at.

If these are matches do I add each indiviual source for each kid to Marys profile, or just once and name all the children? Thanks for all your help. Still learning. LOL.

Jackie
WikiTree profile: Hannah Bell
in The Tree House by Jackie Cobern G2G2 (2.8k points)

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Maybe start by sourcing the birth for the son David then move on to the marriage record for Thomas and Mary. That may give you more information that will help you track down the correct birth/baptisms for Thomas and Mary.
by Lynda Crackett G2G6 Pilot (631k points)
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Jackie,

Just in case you follow Lynda Crackett's advice (which I like), and add sources for son David's profile first, this appears to be the Findagrave memorial page for David, and it mentions his parents by name:  https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/181142321/david-bell.   David Bell died in 1909, according to Findagrave, and his wife Mary (Mosslander) Bell died in 1912 at the age of 93.  https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/143443696/mary-bell

Findagrave indicates that the father, Thomas Bell was born in England, which you already knew or suspected. The reason I like starting with the son before continuing to the mother and father is that it will allow you to justify the fact that the parents are attached and begin with a more solid foundation.

Here is a death certificate for David Bell, and it does say that his father was born in England and his mother, "Mary Mosslander", in Philadelphia, PA. (THAT is a contradiction, since Mary Mosslander is listed at Wikitree as David's WIFE, not his mother. Mary Godfrey is  his mother here on Wikitree, and is likely correct, since it looks like Mary Mosslander was David's age..  http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view2.aspx?FilmNumber=857579&ImageNumber=375

The second part of your question is probably a matter of personal preference.  Many of us would like it if you created the profiles for each of  the children, if you have found enough source material  to justify adding them. You would need to add one or more source citations to each individual child's profile.  But it's a lot of work, and very time consuming.  If it's daunting right now, you could list their names and the source where you found them on their mother's profile. That way someone else (or you) can add them more easily later.

If you have "likely suspects" but can't substantiate yet that they are actual children of  Mary and Thomas Bell, you can add a "research notes" section to the biography and put your tentative findings there.  That way you and others will know follow up is needed, but won't need to reinvent the wheel to find those sources again.

Reba
by R. Greenup G2G6 Mach 6 (66.7k points)

I have added two sources that were given to me and would like for anyone who has time to go to Godfrey-50 to check on my source citations. 

Also if anyone out there would like to mentor me I would welcome the assistance. 

Thanks for all assistance.smiley

Jackie, are you still on the page for Godfrey-50?  I just went to look, and it appears unchanged.  I'm wondering if you have "Saved Changes"?  You're the only one who can see what you've done until you save it.

You may have done this already, but once you add sources, you should delete {{Unsourced|Virginia}}

That way it will no longer appear as an unsourced profile.  You have to delete that manually, when it is there.

Reba
Hi

I just saved my changes. Thanks I forgot.
Jackie,

The sources I gave you earlier were for Mary (Godfrey) Bell's son and daughter-in-law, and I didn't intend them to be attached to Godfrey-50's profile.  But the good news is, it's great practice, and we can fix it!  

Before we move the first source to David's profile,  (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bell-351) and add a more complete source to Mary (Mosslander) Bell's profile,  (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mosslander-1), we can talk about it a little bit, if you're up for it.

The sources LOOK really good -- even somewhat advanced, since they are "inline references".  The first one is the best.  You have created the source the way Findagrave would LIKE it to be sourced, so that's perfect.  The second one (which is Mary's, the daughter -in-law's Findagrave link) is a link only -- which is not as good as the first one, since it isn't a complete source citation.  Links can change over time, and don't contain enough information to find them again (usually), so they aren't as good as a full citation (which gives information about what the source is about, where you found it, etc.).

With an inline reference, usually you write a sentence (state a biography fact) and then insert the inline reference next to it, so the fact you are stating has its source directly next to it.  It looks terrible while you're editing, because you write a sentence, and then stick in the inline reference, and it looks like computer gobbledygook. (Meaning, "Joe Smith was born on January 1, 1800 in Anytown, Anywhere."<ref> blah blah blah... lots of words and source information</ref>  All of the information between <ref> and </ref> will disappear when you aren't looking at it in "edit mode", and is replaced by a little "1" (or "2", etc., depending on how many inline references you have already used).  You can click on the "Preview" button before you save to see how it WILL look before you actually save it.

I'm not a real mentor, and I may be over-explaining without actually making sense.  Let me know if I'm confusing you..

If you'd like me to, I can move the two Findagrave citations to the profiles of David and Mary (the daughter-in-law's) just so they're on the correct profiles -- and then you can practice some more on any of those profiles.

Reba
Hi Reba,

Yes if you could do that it would be great...that way I will know what to look for in the preview and will know I have done others correctly. I appreciate you taking the time to explain things in more detail and checking on my work because I really want to do this kind of work since I have a tremendous amount of time on my hands.

I have added two of the same kind of sources to Major-453...John Killen Majors.

Will do more tomorrow. Hope to keep hearing from you.

Jackie
Jackie,

I moved the two Findagrave sources from Godfrey-50 to Bell-351 and Mosslander-1.  The one at Bell-351 is more complicated than I wanted for you to look at as an example, but there was additional information about David's marriage that had been added recently, and I wanted David's birth information to come before his wedding information and his death information to come at the end, so it would make chronological sense.  I split up two pieces of information from the same Findagrave source and pointed to the same source in two different locations. (That is, instead of repeating the same source information in its entirety two separate times.)

You may want to learn to do this sometime, too, because it comes in handy, but you probably should ignore this example for now, and start with the basics before you start trying the more difficult ways to add sources.

One other caveat -- although Findagrave appears to have valid source information, in both of these cases there are no photos of the headstones in the cemeteries, and no explanation of how the birth and death information was obtained, so it really needs to be supported by better information when it can be located.

Reba

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