Notables October 2018

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Hear Ye!! Hear Ye!!

If you are interested in people who are famous, notable, noted, significant, important, historic, heroic, or otherwise fascinating, then the Notables Project might be for you!

The idea behind this post is for anyone who needs help with connecting Notables to the tree to post to this thread and ask for help.

Or if you just want to tell us whom you have successfully connected up.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Notables

Above is the Notables Project page where you can find unconnected Notables who have profiles and who need to be connected to the tree.

Please remember to concentrate on those Notables who have already passed (died), so that we can see their profiles. If you create a profile for a living Notable, that profile WILL GO UNLISTED and noone can see it except for the PM and anyone on the trusted list!

And remember - Notables should have a Wikipedia page at the very least to qualify. And they should be DEAD!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_2018

Above is a list of those who have passed already this year.

Have fun!!

Note - For some reason newbies who want to join the Notables project are still commenting on the March 2018 Notables thread and are not being answered. They need to read the posts and find the right thread. This is OCTOBER, not March.

OK Link to the March thread has been updated to this October thread. I will have to remember to update that link every month!!

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oh My Grandad's cousin has a Wikiipedia page (I didn't know!) I have some more distant ones too I've adopted them last week :)

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Just an FYI; the link on the Notables Project under "how to join" link you to the March thread and that appears to have been causing some confusion for a few months.

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Thank you Patricia. I wondered why everyone was adding comments to the March page.  I better go and update that link.

Link Updated!!  Must remember to update that link EVERY MONTH now!!  LOL

Thanks again Patricia!!

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I have created a notable page for the recently deceased Arto Paasilinna (Paasilinna-1).

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How notable is someone you think is notable if they do not have a Wikipedia page?  (How sure can you be of their notability if the source is Wikipedia?  I've corrected many errors over the years, some pretty basic that should never have crept in.)

I have three folk (full disclosure: two of them are direct ancestors) that I have long believed notable, but not too many people know of them anymore (you have to know about them to even look them up).  So, how does that make them notable?  (I believe they are notable, but .. I don't get to decide such things and I don't exactly have a list of all their mentions in the newspapers of their day., so how would I prove what I claim?)

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Melanie. you might want to ask this as a separate answer and not as a comment - otherwise it will get lost.

Scott Fulkerson would be the best person to answer this. He's an expert on Notables.

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I shoulda known I'd-a get it wrong! 

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I have created a Notables profie for Danny Thomas https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Thomas-35801. I am new to the Notables Project, this is the first Notables profile I have created. I would like to add his profile link to the Wikipedia page for Danny Thomas. I have read the directions on how to do this, and mid way through reading directions, got 'lost' :(  Assistance needed :)

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Hi Sandie - a couple of items. Both photos in the profile lead to links that show significant copyright restrictions - unless you've obtained explicit permission from the copyright holders, we will have to take those photos down. Both a newspaper and a private photography company are notorious for pursuing legal action against the reposting of their photos without express permission. That's not to say we couldn't get permission, as we are not reusing their photos for profit, but it's better to ask first, and post later. If you have permission, post that information on the photos so that there's no confusion.

Also, since he's deceased, you would use the "sticker" version - so instead of {{Notables}} it would be {{Notables Sticker}}.

The profile LNAB will need to be changed as well, since his real name is Amos Muzyad Yakhoob Kairouz, so his profile should read this as birth name and Danny Thomas as his stage name. So this would mean the LNAB would change to Kairouz, his real first name as Amos, his real middle names as Muzyad Yakhoob, and his Nickname as Danny and Other Last Names as Thomas.

For the Wikipedia link, I believe that Wikipedia has removed our links before, so I'd recommend not going into Wikipedia and trying to add WikiTree there. They can sometimes get a bit testy about that. I'll look over our instructions and see if we can't clean that up if those instructions are still out there.

The profile looks good though - nice biography and good links. Just need his family research added (parents, spouse, children) and it will look much more complete. Very good job!

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Thank you Scott, I will go back to profile and edit, curious though about the name status, you have his name as 'Danny Thomas' in the list of notable people who need a profile ?, not his birth name. So why would I need to use his 'birth name' in his profile, No One would even do a search for him with that name, and I did include his 'birth name' in the bio on his profile. I apologize for posting photos with copyrights ! I had no idea, but will remember to double check for that in the future !

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I happened to be editing some of my family profiles this evening and discovered that the son and only child of my paternal aunt, Bertha Baetz, Han Jurgen Massaquoi, I think is a 'Notable'. If not I can remove that status from his profile, I am new to this group, and still learning https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Massaquoi-1

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Thanks, Sandie! I suspect his name got into the list with the most common version that people would recognize. I suspect no one would have thought twice about doing a profile for Amos Kairouz.

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And how cool is that? Mr. Massaquoi is definitely a Notable! Good catch!

Answer 1

I am a new member of the Notables group. If the following profile that I have created for a cousin, and classified as 'Notable' does not meet possible guidelines to be a Notable please notify me. Eugene Justen (from the Justen family here in McHenry, McHenry County, Illinois), was the pilot for the 329th Bomb Squadron in WW II; "2nd Lt. Eugene J. Justen was the pilot for this crew. Crew received multiple Distinguished Flying Crosses during WW II, Army Air Corps." https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Justen-89  Eugene's brother Gerald Justen, received posthumously 7 medals, including Purple Heart Medal, he was declared missing in action in Korea.

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I've got just a minute, but if you have it handy, you might consider dropping in links to the 1930 and 1940 Census data for him, as well as any Find A Grave links. I'll take a hunt for them later if I remember. :)

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Whoops - one more item - if he doesn't have a Wikipedia article directly about him, technically he doesn't qualify as a Notable. The exception is if he would qualify for a Wikipedia article (and one hasn't been written yet) then he would still be a Notable.

You have to think on this from the standpoint - what makes this particular person Notable? He was a member of the military - but so have millions upon millions of people throughout history. So what makes him stand out among the crowd? If you can answer that, then we're off to a good start to discuss his Notability.

Answer 2

Been working on connecting some of the unconnected notables. So far I have connected:

1. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Evans-24850 [Nina (Evans) Allender]

And

2. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Leonard-1 [Lillian Russell]

Answer 3

Can I join this project? I think there are some Dutch Notables waiting to connect them to WikiTree.

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Welcome to the Notables Team!

Answer 4

I would like to join the Notables Project. I will be working on adding Harriet (Dada) Emens, the second wife of my gg-grandfather, after I improve her profile to meet the standards for Notables.

Harriet was a Civil War nurse who later became a doctor.

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Welcome to the Notables Team!

Answer 5

John Bonham of Led Zeppelin will be connected once the database updates.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bonham-889

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Very cool, Jessica!

Answer 6

I am answering this welcome post in the hope of joining the Noteables crew please.

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Welcome to the Notables Team!

Answer 7

Since the fact that Paul Allen has died has already come up on G2G, I might as well post the obituaries that have accumulated in my RSS reader:

• Fingas, Jon, "Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen dies from cancer at 65." Engadget, October 15, 2018.
• "Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft, dead at 65." CBC News, October 15, 2018.
• Arboleda, Nico, "Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen dies at 65." CRN, October 16, 2018.
• Sharma, Vibhuti; Ravikumar, Sai Sachin, "Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen dies at 65." Reuters, October 15, 2018.
• "Paul Allen: Microsoft co-founder and billionaire dies aged 65." BBC News, 16 October 2018.
• Bright, Peter, "Paul Allen -- Microsoft co-founder, Seahawks owner, and space pioneer -- dies at 65." Ars Technica, October 15, 2018.
• "Paul Allen: Microsoft geek who dreamed of a computer in every home." South China Morning Post, 16 October 2018.
• Musil, Steven, "Microsoft co-founder and philanthropist Paul Allen dies at 65." C|Net News, October 15, 2018.
• Saran, Cliff, "Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen dies, aged 65." ComputerWeekly, 16 October 2018.

Answer 8

Working on connecting Homer Adams HOLT (1898 - 1975) - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Holt-3266

I have notes for about 2 maybe 3 paternal generations back. Not sure if I can connect him up with my notes, but I am going to post them anyway as his profile only had birth and death dates. I also found his spouse. I will be looking for the other lines of ancestry for a little while as well.

Answer 9

I believe I have connected Dame Anna Neagle (real name Florence Marjorie Wilcox, née Robertson) to the tree (although confirmation that I have her father right is needed, there were too many Herbert Robertsons for comfort).

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Robertson-14937

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Neagle

I don't have any real interest in the family, so if the Notables project or someone else would like to take her on, I'd be grateful.

Answer 10

So I'm working through the Nova Scotia profiles in my watchlist, trying to make sure that they're all properly sources (because, thanks to the Nova Scotia Historical Vital Statistics  and Library and Archives Canada Censuses sites, I can source there without having to use sites that are behind paywalls [or even registration walls]), and as I'm working on the family, I realise that the combination of place and last name sounds awfully familiar. My great-great aunt's daughter-in-law was the granddaughter of Hannah McCurdy, who married a guy named William Henry Blanchard in Baddeck, Nova Scotia in 1867. 

Yes, that Baddeck, and those McCurdys. It was her nephew, Douglas McCurdy, who became the first British subject to fly an aeroplane when the Silver Dart lifted off from the ice of Bras d'Or Lake on February 23, 1909.

Ah, but there's more to the story. How did Douglas ever even meet Alexander Graham Bell, and end up becoming a pilot? Well, because Bell met his father, Arthur McCurdy, in Baddeck. But Arthur was born in Truro, so what was he doing in Baddeck to meet Bell? It turns out that David McCurdy, the father of Arthur and Hannah, moved from Truro to Baddeck to take over the store founded by Hannah's first husband, Angus Tupper, after Angus died. So if Hannah hadn't married Angus, Arthur might never have met Bell, and somebody else might have piloted the Silver Dart, if it had ever even been completed at all.

Wow. I had found some relatives who were notable before, but there's notable and then there's notable, y'know? And I've never found a relative (or, more accurately, a whole cluster of relatives) before who who all had to have made specific choices for history to turn out the way it did. I feel like I just slipped into an episode of Voyagers!

Answer 11

'Cause I was told I orta!

How notable is someone you think is notable if they do not have a Wikipedia page?  (How sure can you be of their notability if the source is Wikipedia?  I've corrected many errors over the years, some pretty basic that should never have crept in.)

I have three folk (full disclosure: two of them are direct ancestors) that I have long believed notable, but not too many people know of them anymore (you have to know about them to even look them up).  So, how does that make them notable?  (I believe they are notable, but .. I don't get to decide such things and I don't exactly have a list of all their mentions in the newspapers of their day., so how would I prove what I claim?)

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I really, really, do not like how this whatever it is posts up pasted text.  Why does it make it so huge?  It makes me look as though I'm yelling at people!

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Personally, I consider a Wikipedia to be sign of notability, but not the only one. If somebody is listed in another encyclopedia, or has won something major (like a Nobel Prize), or is on some country's list of important people (in Canada's case, the list of Persons of National Historic Significance), then I consider them notable, whether they have a Wikipedia entry or not.

Regarding pasting text, the font and size get posted as well as the words. Most of the time, I hate it when that happens, because if I go to post in one little thing, the font and size changes for the rest of my post, so I just highlight the whole message, and then set the font and size, so at least it will look consistent within the message. (Sometimes, I'm pasting in something with lots of complicated formatting and links, and then I'm actually happy when it all posts properly.)

Answer 12

We need a Wikitree bigwig to unlock J. Howard Marshall, the second husband of Anna Nicole Smith, as he died back in the early 1990s, and her profile should be added to the Notables Project. The project manager hasn't been active in about 2 years.

Her profile is Hogan-4

Answer 13

I have been working on the Australian John & Elizabeth Macarthur extended family profiles (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Veale-305) for a couple of days and will be for a tad more.  There are so many in the family worthy of Notables status.  Whilst I've added the Notables Sticker for some, if somebody could cast an extra set of eyes over them it might be helpful.  I can't believe that such a family has had very few profiles.  After this I hope to get back to the Australian Army Generals category where there are still several to be connected.