I am working on eight G and G2 born in Norway

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WikiTree profile: Trogstad-3
asked in Requests for Project Volunteers by Anonymous Trogstad G2G6 Mach 1 (11.1k points)
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Hi!
Leif Biberg Kristensen is correct!
LNAB as a main rule - doesn't count for norwegian names before 1923; even if americans wan't them to. Patronyms count.
Thing is that before 1923 there was no written rules for naming standard in Norway. Sweden and denmark had some. We had naming traditions, similar to icelandic.

A female was given a first name, her given namei, then inherited her fathers first name, added "datter" or "dotter" - this combination was her name. When she married, she kept her own name. Did NOT "adopt" her husbands name as in LNAB naming system
When this is said; since this was traditions and priests very often was danes, germans or swedes, there is many varieties in church records.

A male got his given name, his last name was combined by his fathers first name plus "-søn" (oldest variety) "-sen"  (Norway and Denmark for the most). Oldest son also got the farm name in addition to fathers name. Patronym.
If he got or took name of city or place, it was because he moved - and last name could change if he moved again ...
If he moved to a city, he often brought with him the place he was born as last name - and kept it for life - beginning of LNAB system.

Kristoffer, Christoffer, Christopher is the same name with different spelling only. If you search the norwegian "Digitalarkivet" it doesn't matter how you spell them, the datamodel is familiar to the variaties. to 95%.
Hi!

LNAB as a main rule - doesn't count for norwegian names before 1923; even if americans wan't them to. Patronyms count.
Thing is that before 1923 there was no written rules for naming standard in Norway. Sweden and denmark had some. We had naming traditions, similar to icelandic.

A female was given a first name, her given namei, then inherited her fathers first name, added "datter" or "dotter" - this combination was her name. When she married, she kept her own name. Did NOT "adopt" her husbands name as in LNAB naming system
When this is said; since this was traditions and priests very often was danes, germans or swedes, there is many varieties in church records.

A male got his given name, his last name was combined by his fathers first name plus "-søn" (oldest variety) "-sen"  (Norway and Denmark for the most). Oldest son also got the farm name in addition to fathers name. Patronym.
If he got or took name of city or place, it was because he moved - and last name could change if he moved again ...
If he moved to a city, he often brought with him the place he was born as last name - and kept it for life - beginning of LNAB system.

Kristoffer, Christoffer, Christopher is the same name with different spelling only. If you search the norwegian "Digitalarkivet" it doesn't matter how you spell them, the datamodel is familiar to the variaties. to 95%.
His last name is Larsen, first name Anton
Place of birth Fjeldsmarke, Putten, 1860

Ås sokn, Kolbu Sokn, Vestre Toten prestegjeld
Ås church Kolbu
https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85s_kirke_(Vestre_Toten)
and in this parish borders
https://kart.1881.no/?query=Vestre%20toten,%20putten

Census 1865, whole family listed
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038069000695

Btw :)
It seems we are distant family, Jodi. My mothers family is also from the Kolbo, Vestre Toten area. I have not found any direct links in that area, yet - but it seems we are linked back in year 1177 ... funny
AS you and others have requested changes, I am applying them. I do not think there was this many persons listed on Digitalarkivet when I first entered data on this profile. Jennie Jacobsen had created the profile. I added to it and modified it with my family info and what 'was' available. Thanks for the additional information. I have many more connections to locate and enter. I will like to have the help, as I'm sure many of will like to see this increase and be completed.
Jodi,
I really think that there has been a great job done. It's difficult to find the way through alle the "americanizing" of names that happened when norwegians arrived in US, and when settling.
And it get's worse when ancestors try to follow further back on names that does not exist or constructing names in good meanings but wrong traditions.
Let me ask: Did any of the links I sent you yesterday, give any meaning? Maybe the map showing Putten was useful? I believe this was the farm that Lars Olsen and wife Marthe Christoffersdatter lived, gave birth to their children included Anton/Anthon and where (at least) Marthe died June 23rd 1865. She was buried a month later, July 23rd 1865 but unshure where, in Vestre Toten parish. maybe from Kolbo/Kolbu church even if Ås is closer to the farm Putten.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000001018473
I found that wiidower Lars Olsen later re-married in Ås church Sept 12th 1873, to Ingeborg Pedersdatter (widow)  from a place called Nordberg in Søndre Land-
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000000277501

But, who are you searching for, where do we start? Some hnts would be nice :)
Would you like to look at Larsdatter-1275? I will soon be into quite a few Norwegian profiles, and I believe some will turn into Sweden and maybe Denmark.
Started looking into ms. Larsdatter, something mysterious ab her. Information doesn't "fit"
Also found someth interesting ab our friend Marte/Marthe, Lars Olsen's first wife- when their son OLAUS b. 1853 was baptised, her name was MARTHE HENDRIKSDATTER, not Christoffersdatter
Names was not THAT important those days
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000002950801
I notice, Oddvar, that in the Klokkerbok Marthe is clearly Christophersdtr so I think there was just a "typo"transferring the christening to the ministerialbok :-)

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603780300
Backing up again to the question of whether Anthon Larsen Putten from Vestre Toten is Edward/Edwin A Larson in Freeborn, Freeborn, Minnesota.

Exact shared birthdate is great, Anton Larsen emigrates April/May 1879 going to Grembota? MN.  Picture a poorly handwritten Freeborn Co and you might get Grembota?  This is compelling but Anton/Anthon becoming Edwin/Edward in America is awful.

I noticed that all 6 children of Lars Olsen and Marthe Chritophersdatter left Vestre Toten between 1878 and 1882 - perhaps the new stepmother didn't fit in really well? :-)

Locating some of the family in America to see if we could put Anthon Larsen somewhere else would help prove/disprove the Anton becomes Edward theory?

I'm going to try and paste the Gjovik and Toten spreadsheet info in another comment.  Not sure how it will work
300 1878* 14.03.1878 MARTIN LAURITS HANSEN PUTTEN 01.06.1838           AMERIKA

(EI HER BUNDET VED NOGET OFFENTLIGT ÆGTESKABSLØFTE. PAA HANS VANDEL HAR JEG INTET AT UDSÆTTE. E: HET EGENTLIG MARTIN LAURITS LARSEN) (01.06.1838 should be 01.06.1858 I looked at the book)

490 1878* 14.06.1878 KRISTIAN LARSEN PUTTEN 28.12.1846           AMERIKA

(INTET SÆRLIGT AT BEMÆRKE)

660 24.04.1879 09.05.1879 ANTON LARSEN PUTTEN 1860           AMERIKA    

1160 08.05.1880 1880 INGE MARIE LARSDATTER PUTTEN 1851           AMERIKA    

1240 13.05.1880 1879 OLAUS LARSEN PUTTEN 1853           AMERIKA    

2320 30.05.1882 1882 OTTO LARSEN PUTTEN 1863           AMERIKA

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The Norway Project is here:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Norway

The thread for joining is still here:
https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/375444/interested-norway-have-norwegian-ancestry-norway-project

- athough you could also respond to this answer.
answered by Eva Ekeblad G2G6 Pilot (270k points)

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