"Welcome to the Weekend Chat" All Members are Invited!! November 16-18, 2018 [closed]

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CHANGE TO BEST ANSWER PROCESS:  After much discussion we have come to the conclusion that all answers in the Weekend Chat are of equal importance and weight.  So we are going to discontinue the Best Answer portion as it adds points and then takes them away from posters and is causing some hurt feelings.  So in the interest of everyone is equal and valued we will delete any best answers given which will deduct those points because it has been pointed out that to give everyone best answer is also not a viable option. 

Weekend Chat is for everyone. It's a place to catch up on what people are up to and to share what you've been doing.  New members can say hello, introduce themselves, ask questions, and meet each other.  Our seasoned members can share progress or successes from their projects, give tips and advice, or chime in on hot topics.

Post as many answers and comments as you wish. It doesn't hurt anyone to post a lot and enjoy the multitude of topics.


Enjoy yourself and spread goodwill :)

WikiTree profile: Pip Sheppard
closed with the note: End of Weekend Chat for November 16-18, 2018
in The Tree House by Pip Sheppard G2G Astronaut (1.8m points)
closed by David Selman
That is just BEAUTIFUL, Dorothy! Looks like the road I live on.

I hope your Thanksgiving and everyone else’s is restful, and filled with good food and a time to reconnect with family.
Thank you so much for hosting the chat this weekend Pip!
My utmost pleasure!
Great Weekend Chat Pip - thanks !
I had a great time myself. All WikiTree duties should so pleasurable! Thank you, Nicole!
Thank you, Dorothy, for the Thanksgiving wishes! Have a great Thanksgiving from my family to yours and all the WikiTreers. Great photo reminds me of a country road I have traveled.

Glad you had fun Pip!  Thank you again for covering for me!   Will let the team know what is up before next weekend.  We are more in wait and see mode now than reaction mode as we were this week.  Amazing what a few days can accomplish.  

You did a fantastic job Pip!   

Laura, Hope your new grandson Henry is doing better as we said prayers for him and your family all this week. Wishing you and your family a good week with many blessings.

I agree that Pip did great at Hosting the chat this weekend.
Thanks David,  We appreciate all the prayers and good wishes.  They do a lot to help!  He is holding his own.  That is all we can really ask for at this point.  Each day he gets a day stronger.  It is going to take time.  He is in good medical hands and he is, as we all are, in God's hands and people all over the world of many faiths are praying for him.  Can't ask for more than that.  I have seen the power of prayer work and it is a good thing.  

Yes Pip did a fantastic job and better yet he said he had fun!
Old lamps, new bulbs. Not compatible.


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First I will say thank You Pip for your first weekend chat, and wish you welcome.
I know you will be a perfect host, as you are a perfect wikkitree member.
And wonderful to us  all.
Then a little of my week.
I got by mistake i to a archive and there was lots of old photos from the family i have for years build up on my wikkitree. I was so happy better than win the lottery.
Then pouls sister ask would you like some very old photos of the family. Of course I was so happy. And many of the photos I received was the one I found in the archive.
She had 18 album and i was happy she was not interesting in old photos.
Can you imagine how fantastic certainly put faces on the people I been working on.
But at the same time she had so many old birthday certificates, confirmation and wedding certificates she want to throw away, glad I stop her and they are here with me. Lots of paper from the family we have lost.
So some of the photos I need to work out who they where,  it lucky for me someone has put a name behind the photo. So I have had busy founding the people. And my computer has stick like glue to my fingers.
Well I wish you all wonderful weekend chat

by Susan Laursen G2G Astronaut (2.7m points)
Nicole hi hi thank you

Tell me what happen if you try.

It is terrible when you start to finding anchestor it is impossible to stop.
@ Susan - If I said to my husband supper is on page 50, he would most likely say "oh ! and I suppose you would like some too?" hehehe
Having said that - my husband also said he deserves a badge with a whip on it because he is always encouraging me.  I do the work but he gets the kudos for the encouragement -  and I say this warmth  because as we all know when those fingers get glued to the computer it is hard to let go.  And yes, he would make supper for me as well.
Wow Nicole you have a man That cook you are very lucky.

Ok Poul always make breakfast before going to work or we would not get any. One day he call me darling I just found the car keys in the refrigerator where do you think you have put the milk

Your husband sound great
Nicole wow you are lucky mine would go for pizza
So where was the milk?
Nicole Hahaha in the cobbard where the car key usually are.

I even one morning left the remote control inthe freezer. I could not find it after Poul has left for work

I am totally hopeless in the morning

What about you
You make me laugh, you are too funny.
Oh Susan that is me - before coffee I should do nothing - the dumb things that happen! oh no - glad it is not just me
Navarro I am so happy to hear that, just after coffe I will be fine.

Thank You for your kind mail
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Posting for Laura B: 


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Unscramble these 23 top level category names.  Answers are in the answer folder and there is a docx and pdf version of the puzzle located here:  https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rqo8mt2eobujwgd/AAAzB3IGNHqNKXBfdE985NBZa?dl=0
























by Dorothy Barry G2G Astronaut (2.3m points)
HI Dorothy! Thanks for the puzzle.  Much appreciated!
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Posting for Laura B: 

Tips November 16, 2018

Stickers and Categories are ways of marking your profiles for sorting with others of like characteristics.  These include things like military service, government service, occupations, birth locations by country, notability, project inclusions, and one of the saddest ones, died young.

Profiles can have multiple stickers or categories. 

Some helpful links: 





Stickers are a category!   https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Stickers


And if you host a weekend chat you can earn the right to add our spiffy Weekend Chat Host Sticker to your profile!   

If you are interested In hosting a weekend chat we have lots of help for you.  You are not alone, our weekend chat team of Bea, David, Dorothy and myself are here to help you throughout the process and throughout the weekend.  It is a fun way to get to know some really wonderful people on WikiTree and we encourage you to invite your friends to join us on the Weekend Chat.  For ore information about hosting go to:  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Weekend_Chat

by Dorothy Barry G2G Astronaut (2.3m points)
edited by Dorothy Barry
Oh, how I love the stickers!! Thank you for sharing this Dorothy (and Laura).
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Hello WikiTreers everywhere!

Another interesting week of sourcing and improving, digging deep in the rabbit warrens of Unsourced Undefineds, all in my usual free-range lower-case way.  Slight withdrawal pangs last night when the Data Doctors' server was down.

After a few inches of snow Sunday-Monday, we are back to glorious blue crisp fall weather.

This week's submission is the randomest of random paper animals.  Bragging rights to whomever correctly identifies this critter!



Edit to add - Capybara by Jo Nakashima

by Herbert Tardy G2G6 Pilot (562k points)
edited by Herbert Tardy
Congrats Paul!!
Congratulations, Paul!!!
I want to congratulate all of you for not looking it up on YouTube!  You are an honest bunch.
Glad I made ya laugh. Great capybara!
WTG Paul.
Actually, after I said capybara I wanted to change my guess to guinea pig, but figured I had already had my shot at fame.  And my commuter train was arriving at my station anyway.
Paul, you should never second-guess yourself!  Someone already said guinea pig anyway.

While I was working on capybara attempt #2, a teenage girl stopped by my desk.  She got it right on her second guess, her first guess being guinea pig.  Gives me hope for our nation's future!
Gee shucks - i missed the game and I was going to say Capybara as well.  NOT!  That was fun, even though I missed it.

What a great guinea pig Herb!  I sure love your origami smileysmiley

Thanks, Mindy!  It's a capybara.  smiley

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Today is....



National Fast Food Day is observed annually on November 16.  On this day each year, people all across the country celebrate by going through the drive-thru, dining inside or ordering their fast food to go.

First popularized in the United States in the 1950s, fast food is considered any meal with low preparation time and served to a customer in a packaged form for quick dine-in, take-out or take-away and typically with a drive-thru.

Merriam-Webster dictionary first recognized the term “fast food” in 1951.

Following World War I, automobiles became popular and more affordable.  At that time drive-in restaurants were introduced.  In 1921, White Castle, an American company founded by Billy Ingram and Walter Anderson in Wichita, Kansas, opened, selling hamburgers for five cents each.  Anderson had opened the first White Castle in 1916 as a limited menu, high-volume, low-cost, high-speed hamburger restaurant.

The United States has the largest fast food industry in the world.  American fast food restaurants are located in over 100 countries.

Standard fast food menu items include hamburgers and other sandwiches, fish, fried chicken, chicken nuggets, tacos, pizza, hot dogs, french fries, onion rings, breakfast biscuits, coffee and ice cream. 

Fun fact: The first Happy Meal was served in June of 1979.


Go out for some fast food then tell us where you went and how was it!!

by Dorothy Barry G2G Astronaut (2.3m points)
Downsizing cost me around 2000 books. That still leaves 2000. NOT catalogued! :-)
Downsizing would be a problem. We will eventually have to downsize but we are currently planning to stay put for another 10 years. Downsizing books may happen first. My wife occasionally mentions getting rid of most of the religion books since they don't get used much anymore (she has a Masters in Theology to go along with her Masters in Software Engineering and Masters in Electrical Engineering)

If your books aren't cataloged, how do you avoid bringing home duplicates?
I have close to a photographic memory.  Since my books are organized by section all I have to do is remember the shelf and I can see what I have.  

Can't explain how this works... it just does...  comes in handy.  but at times my mind is cluttered with stuff no one really cares to know...  like what kind of salad dressing someone ordered 7 years ago at a specific restaurant.
Not plotting just rattling off some of my shelf categories...
I have a good visual memory and remember book covers. So many fiction books reissue with new covers. Bought too many duplicates over the years. Now we don't and the catalog also appears on our phones and has a "wish list" option. We frequent a lot of used book stores so having a wish list available is also useful. A photographic memory would be useful at times.
I don’t have photographic memory, I just know what I got. My wish lists come from the footnotes in the books I read. It’s always very long. Way too long. I rarely see these spin the second hand stores. Just a little too technical. Impossible to find Pannenburg or FF Bruce like that. Gotta order.
Wow Doug and i thought we have many books, i am not tellng My husband about that, I don’t want to give him any ideas

Where do you have all this books do you have a castle?
Theology.. I have a number of books on ancient religions both Christians and non.  Mainly used them to understand religion and historical conflict.   I just checked I don't have any by those authors.

We do have a relatively large house but every room has book cases and we have a large library area in the basement with book cases lining the walls. The house plans had that area designated as a library so that is what it is.

Pip, I don't think my wife has Pannenburg or FF Bruce. She went to seminary but not for ministry. Her books cover a very wide and eclectic range of topics including lots of world religion stuff.
I have book cases in 4 bedrooms one of which we converted to a library that has book cases on every wall.  I also have them in the living room and several in the basement.  

We started in the basement to downsize what we have because those are mainly popular reading and more easily disposed with.
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Good morning, I am having a good day so far. Yes we have a bit of Snow but only a trace because this storm came up from the south and by the time it got to my corner of northeast Ohio it was almost over. My one granddaughter took her drivers test, for the 3rd time, and passed. We then took her to the insurance agent to put her on our policy. Just as we got home her parents decided to take her to the car dealer to possibly get her a car. On the WikiTree front not much happening. I had to remove Google Chrome from my computer because it was causing major problems with other programs. I have still been working on the profiles I adopted a while back and that project is still going to take some more time, but at least with one grandchild I no longer have to drive around that means I will have a little more time for other things.

I also heard that my son in law totaled his car last week, He hit a patch of water and spun out before crashing into a concrete barrier at freeway speeds. He is fine, just a little sore but his car is now 6 inches shorter than it was so they are car shopping as well.
by Dale Byers G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
Welcome to the Chat, Dale.

So sorry to hear about your son's wreck. Been there, done that, but not at freeway speeds. Happy he made it through that.

The reverse was true for me and my grandparents. I got my license, and then started driving them around.
The granddaughter got a 2012 Kia Soul.
Not bad! How many miles on it?
I have been told 67k but it has a 100k warenty.
I am having problems posting a picture of the car but the following link will take you to my Facebook page and you can view it from there.  https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212509340431728&set=a.1958557006809&type=3&eid=ARBBaXK08X68_X5D3_sInokDSMRRXNgM4_fkYjqAI36vbXHHAw9j5pb2f-Er2Yx18eZNKMctPFwt5lis
Glad your son in law is okay.

I have family in Central New York - they got just over a foot of snow
Kay, as I watched the NWS radar yesterday and it was like a hole opened up making the storm move either north or south of us and then rejoin to the east, Strange.
Yikes on your son and making the car shorter.  Glad he is okay.
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Headed out for Florida tomorrow morning.  I take an auto carrying Amtrak
train from outside Washington D. C. and travel over night and arrive about
ten miles from our trailer in the morning.  It takes off about 1,000 miles of
driving, furnishes over night sleeping, either in a reclined seat or roomette,
a dinner, breakfast and coffee most of the day.  Perfect for a single traveler like me who isn't the best driver in the world anyway.   We got five inches of snow over night and I had loaded half of my stuff in the car while I could back right up to the door.   This morning I was shoveling my 150 foot driveway when my neighbor came down with his tractor and did
the whole driveway in a very short time.  Much appreciated!!  He hunts our land all fall so he tries to help out in such ways. He will keep the driveway open most of the winter so the gas and firemen can get in.
My wikitree participation will probably go down if I have to share the camp wifi with the other 40 neighbors.  My next door neighbor has let me
piggy back off hers but her husband died just before I came home this spring and she may have cancelled hers because her husband will no  longer be using his electronics.   Oh, joy, lake effect squalls are filling up the driveway again but it is only predicted 2-4 inches.  I can back out through that.  See you from the sunshine state in a few days.
by Beulah Cramer G2G6 Pilot (221k points)

Beulah, you be SAFE! And enjoy yourself in sunny Florida! (Never knew that Amtrak had an auto carrier.)

My wife may join you. She HATES snow! sad And it's nothing like the snow you get you your way.

Sound wonderful Beulah enjoy yourself sound wonderful

Save trip
Have a safe trip. My cousin said that she got 12” in North Syracuse.

We are still on a waiting list for our park in Florida. Sure know what you mean about poor WiFi, but time in the hot tub and fresh veggies make up for WikiTree withdrawal
Safe trip Beulah and have fun.  Hope wifi is not too slow for you.  Hope you don't suffer too much withdrawals if it is.
We had 3 to 6 inches on Wed into Thursday and it all pretty much melted away on Friday
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Hello Wikipeeps.

It's been a quiet week for me. Not a lot happening genealogy wise. I have been working on filling in the tree for some of my Stephens relatives.

I also discovered some OPR records on film for Lostwithiel parish in Cornwall England on the Family Search website. These records date from 1813. Since I know that Cornwall (FHS or County) is reluctant to allow other for profit businesses to transcribe the OPRS for the 1813 to 1837 time period, I have decided to transcribe these records for myself - for just this parish. Lostwithiel is right next door to St Winnow parish, which is  the home parish of my Stephens family. So I am currently half way through the book - only has 31 pages of records with 3 records per page.

My family chat starts in 1 hour.

It snowed yesterday in downtown Toronto, but it was kind of light. You can still see the grass under the trees.

And I think that is all I have to report for this week.

Congrats to Pip for hosting his first weekend chat!!
by Robynne Lozier G2G6 Pilot (792k points)
Welcome to the Chat, Robynne!

Robynne, I commend you for your transcription work. I had ancestors in Cornwall (St. Gulval's parish and scattered about), so I have some affection for the place, though I have never been there. Maybe one day. A dream of mine.
Oops to clarify - about the Lostwithiel OPRs.

The first book I am doing are the Marriages - with 31 pages.

There are also books with Births and Burials.
UM Pip

That was a fast change of name Pip.

I went from Chris to Robynne in a blink of an eye!! LOL

I have never been to Cornwall either - never even been to England, let alone London!!
You said "WikiPeeps" and Chris always says that, so I started typing before I saw your name as the answer went in. I am so sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL  Gotcha.

I say wikipeeps now, BECAUSE Chris always says that!!  LOL
Made it to England just once back in 1980. A bus tour. Next time, I'll drive (or hire a driver since... you know... they haven't learned to drive on the correct side of the road yet.). London, north to York. Then Edinburgh, Inverness, the Lake District, Chester, Salisbury, and back to London. Made my little history major heart race the whole time I was there.
Technically Steve came up with that term. I just kinda.....borrowed it.
Well I borrowed wikipeeps from you, so there!! LOL
Lol. Fair enough!
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Mwahaha! Time to have fun with the substitute teacher! Yes, I was one of those kids who didn’t really listen to subs. They would try to pronounce my last name and I was kinda smirking the whole time. Pip, man, you got your work cut of for you.

On the genealogy front, I had the sad duty of unlocking Stan Lee’s page since he passed away earlier this week. It was a sad day and Eowyn was awesome about unlocking it. Stan was an inspiration to me and countless people. It’s hard to explain. Because of him, I got into writing. Because of him, I got hooked on my favorite characters from that wall crawling teenager to the children of the atom.

Enough about that! Thanksgiving is around the corner and I am visiting my brother and his family. Flight was good and I am joined to my left as I type this by my 8 yr old nephew. Gonna play Mario with him. Gotta start me young on ye olde Nintendo classics! And ya I will do genealogy stuff with him. This morning we were looking at his placemat map of the world. He pointed Quebec. I said “Yeah. You have ancestors who came from there.” This kid says “Did you research  everything about the family?”

More than you know, kid......

Enjoy the chat and be nice to Pip!
by Chris Ferraiolo G2G6 Pilot (332k points)
edited by Chris Ferraiolo
There you are! I was wondering when you'd show up.

When I go to family events and someone gets questioned about some detail or such about family history, I always overhear, "Oh, you need to go talk to Pip. He knows everything."
A wizard is never late. He arrives when he means to. Well, that and I was at a bbq place with my ‘rents and sister in law. And I am apparently the family genealogist, so appointed by my Uncle Brian.

All questions go to me, I guess.
Wait until boxes of records start being delivered from family who decide to clean out basements or attics or closets...I have 20 boxes I have not had time to open yet.
Hi Chris! I am sorry about Stan. I enjoyed listening to NPR’s old interviews with him this week. I don’t know a lot about him, but he sounds amazing. Perhaps with his/your good humor, you can make it to 95, too :) —Elaine
I wouldn’t mind some stuff from my great-aunt. Though, I think that will go to her daughter. I don’t mind looking up or at old stuff.

Thanks, Elaine! Stan was awesome. There is only so much you can say about him.
Indeed a sad day we lost Stan Lee - just going to be a while before I can accept that - thanks for doing that duty Chris
Thanks, Navarro. It is gonna take some time.
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Thanks to Pip for hosting this weekend!  And to David, Dorothy, and Bea for helping Pip with the Weekend Chat!

I have had a lot happen since last weekend.  On Sunday night my pregnant daughterinlaw went into labor 5 weeks early.  Our grandson was born Monday morning.  He has been in the neonatal intensive care unit since then.  I am more off the computer than on as no cell phones or computers allowed in the NICU.   We are not allowed to hold him.  And no one is allowed to kiss him as there is some new virus that can be deadly to those with compromised immunity.  Babies born early like he was do not get the full immunity from Mom.  

His lungs are not fully developed but he is holding his own.  He was on track to be 11 pounds at full term they thought.  So even though he was born 5 weeks early he was 7.5 pounds and 21" long. I used to say my son was 6' 5" but he told me last week he is 6' 6" so he must have grown another inch from the last time he was measured that I knew about.  

So thanks again to the Weekend Chat team for hosting and adding the tips and the puzzle.  I will drop in when I can.  

I know many of you are praying for all of us and I love that because I believe in the power of prayer and have seen it work more than once in my own family.  

I also discovered that nothing for the Weekend Chat showed up to my phone without me logging into WikiTree.  Even though I have it as a follow tab and am on the trusted list.  So I could not see anything until I got home and was able to login.   

We have granddaughter duty (which we love) with often short notice depending on what is happening.  We are trying to keep her in her "normal" routine as she is only 19 months and really does not understand why she can go see Mommy but not the baby and why Mommy is not coming home at night.  She knows what a baby is and points to herself and says Sissy...  but we are pretty sure she does not understand the baby will eventually come to live with them.  

We gave her 2 shirts that say Super Sister and she is proudly wearing them and pointing to the saying.  

So as you can see once again this year our lives have been turned upside down.  Which is fine.  We just want our newest Bozzay to get healthy and be able to come home.  

Ok, gotta go.  Lots of phone calls to make.  Just got back from getting flu shot.  Have some other things I need to take care of for family.  Hope everyone has a wonderful weekend!
by Laura Bozzay G2G6 Pilot (619k points)
Thanks Nicole.  We are of course thrilled to have him in the family and at the same time struggling with figuring out the best things to do for his safety and health.  My daughterinlaw is a nurse and that is both a blessing and a curse because while she intellectually understands a lot she also knows all the things that can go wrong and that really plays havoc with emotions.  We have let them know we are here for them and just want to do whatever they need us to and that of course his safety and health come first.  She was afraid she was going to offend people because of some of the rules she had to communicate.  While they are hard we get it.   We just want to do whatever we can to support them.  We can't be together as a family during the holidays and that is so hard but no one wants to put the little one to any risk.  We want to make sure there will be plenty of other holidays we can be together as a family.  Chris F said they often open presents via Skype.  So I am going to offer that as an idea.  Love and family transcend space and time.
Jelena thanks for sharing your story!  Several of you have shared stories of your own personal experiences with something like this and it is one of the things that makes this Weekend Chat so helpful.  We share parts of our lives not just data here.  And that is why we do genealogy, to honor our families and their stories both easy and hard ones...
Kay it is amazing to read this story of your children.  I know they are heathy and all is well now, but wow, what you went through!  My heart goes out to you.  Sharing hope is a great gift.  Thank you!
Chris and Pip have been in on emails with me all week.  Needless to say, they have been rocks as have David, Dorothy, and Bea.  Can't say enough good things about this team.  

And some of the other former hosts have been sending me words of support during the week as this unfolded.  The people of WikiTree are truly blessings to each other and help make dealing with life and its twists and turns easier.

Congrats with the grandson, praying he will grow stronger each and every day.

My son was 6 1/2 weeks early and weighed 7lb 12, bit of a squeeze to get him into the humi-crib. He is now a strapping 90kgs and over 6 ft 4 . Mind you he will always be my little boy.

Had to admit he was growing up when he hit his head on the bulkhead of the stairs. Nailed a rubber ducky to the bulkhead til he got used to ‘ducking’

Marion I know what you mean as our grandson is just a little smaller than your son was about 4 ounces and his father is 6' 6" so he has height in his genes.  He looks full term but isn't.  But I all of these great stories are really helpful!  My son still hits his head on the chandelier when he gets up from the table!
vibes to you and the little ones Laura - try and get enough rest
Thanks Navarro.  I have napped a bit today and have caught up now with all my emails
All 1200 of them?!?!?!
I moved all the sale ones I cared about into a folder but answered all the ones from people as opposed to email groups or businesses. There about 135 of those out of the 1200.  Then there were the ones in the spam folder which the majority just get deleted.  I moved the ones that for some reason go there but are from addresses in my approved address book first to the inbox.  The I do a large delete all..  That took care of over 700 of the 1200.    There were a lot of data doctor emails today and I answered 2 of those and read then either filed in my dd folder or deleted ones I read but did not need to keep.  

I have seen worse.  I used to have 5 different email accounts.  Now I have 3.  2 for each of my now closed businesses that I check mainly once a week and delete most of what is now coming in there.  Then I have one that I actually use daily.
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Good evening everybody!

Pip, you will do a great chathoster this weekend, no need to be nervous.

For me it was again quite a calm week, this time also genealogy-wise. One of my big tea pots didn't want anymore this week, it got a bruise a few weeks ago and on Tuesday evening the bruise turned into a tear and the tea went out of the pot.... So I got a new one, it arrived today, and now I can learn the chemical periodic system with it. I got the cup just because I am no specialist in chemistry, actually in all science. I got the pot with the thought: "Learning chemistry unconsciously". If you look at it often enough, something will stay in the memory.
by Jelena Eckstädt G2G6 Pilot (464k points)
Welcome to the Chat, Jelena! Glad you could join us!

We are like you when it comes to our coffee pots. One goes down, we immediately get another. And every new one is always more souped up than the last.
Those metal ones are virtually indestructible but taste is better in old ceramic ones or clay ones
+14 votes

Hello Wikipeeps!

Stop stealing my coined saying cheeky Well life is a hectic busy mess getting ready for thanksgiving and than not long after that the Christmas Season.(bah Humbug)devilangry

So in the genealogy world on the 5th of this month I got my ancestrydna box and sent it in they received it on the 9th so now we wait. I found it intriguing and upsetting that no longer than 30 minutes after I purchased the test that ancestry started a sale and it would have saved me about $50.00 that's a-lot of Blueberry pie.yes

So Yesterday we had are first snow of the winter season. We got about 6-7 inches of the fluffy white stuff. So that makes for a mess but it was so beautiful to sit in the house with my feet up and a coffee cup in hand and getting caught up on the Game of Thrones Series.

Well I hope all is well and Thanks Pip for hosting.

by Steve Schmidt G2G6 Pilot (361k points)
Sounds like my kind of day, Steve. A cup of joe and a good series on TV. And isn’t it always the way that when you buy something really cool it goes on sale?

Thanks for joining the Chat!
Never! Sorry life has been hectic, man. Here is hoping it calms down.
Oh the part about snow that I miss- so pretty and peaceful. The shoveling not so much..and living in Syracuse there was lots of shoveling
Hehe there is never enough coffee on any day. Oh I don't shovel snow I pay the kids down the street.
Paying kids to shovel? The very idea! Hmmm.....Actually that doesn’t sound too bad. Especially since NH got rocked by a storm. 4 to 6 inches isn’t bad but it could be worse. Apparently it is 42 back home. So much for the winter wonderland. HahA

Oh and about the AncestryDNA test. Good luck! Should be interesting!
Steve throw yourself on the mercy of customer service and maybe they will give you a credit.  It doesn't hurt to ask.

They apologized and said "No" sad

+16 votes
Hi Pip

So how are you feeling with your first hosting? Where you a little scared.

You have really done a wonderful work.

I am so proud of you and think we all are

Thank you for being so brave

You are a gem
by Susan Laursen G2G Astronaut (2.7m points)
Piece of cake with a wonderful community like this one. Thanks, Susan!
You are doing great...hope you are also having fun.
I having a blast. Of course. I was born talking with a full vocabulary!
+13 votes

Good Weekend to All!

We got lucky the other day & missed out on the snow that fell to our north. I'm not ready mentally for snow so early in the season. However, we have had our share of cold rain.....bad for people, good for plants.

by Doug Lockwood G2G Astronaut (2.4m points)
That is just b.e.a.u.t.i.f.u.l !!!
Wow - that is goergeous.  Is it a Hibiscus?
Isn’t it, though? Wonder how long it took to grow to that size and how long the blooms last.
Red and green sounds like Christmas
It is a camellia. It is about 40 years old. The blooms last several weeks each unless heavy frost gets them.
Wow Doug this look wonderful the flowers are so pretty

Thank You for sharing
cheery flowers Doug, thanks
+11 votes
Thank you for hosting Pip.  It is always so nice to read what people are up to.  I am glad my life isn't as hectic as some.

I did spend a lot of time on Wikitree this week.  I have been doing a lot of uploading.  I read somewhere, I think Sourcerers G2G, about some of the documents behind paywalls may expire.  So I have been copying and pasting into profiles,

We have snow as well, but it is melting,  I hope this winter is not a freeze- thaw like last year.  The ice build-up was incredible, especially on the roofs.

That's it or me - happy weekend to all
by Nicole Duchesne G2G6 Pilot (843k points)

Glad your with us, Nicole!

Here in the west side of the NC mountains, we often get left over snow, snow that made it over the mountains. If hensustem comes from the south, we get more. I have been living here for almost three years, and the biggest snow we’ve ever had was about 11 inches, and it lasted for two weeks. Just wouldn’t melt!  That was our first winter here, and it hasn’t been that bad since. I love the snow. The wife hates it! laugh

The Canadiana-paywall will expire on the New-Year's day, Nicole. And Pip, I and your wife are the same. I really really hate snow. More when I have to leave the house as I am always afraid of falling and (again) damaging my knee. When I can stay inside it really can look beautiful.
I try to paraphrase anything from a pay site because many can't see it.

Copyright law varies by country and in some countries by location.

Yes good time of year to do research
Nicole is snow In Your area normally do you get lots of snow ?

You certainly are doing a lot on wikkitree Nicole and you probably enjoying it

Well it is almost midnight here and my bed are shouting after me

Wish you a great day
Yes we do get quite a bit of snow, we live on the Bruce Peninsula in Ontario.  Northern Ontario can get ALOT of snow but we don't get THAT much.

As you have seen Susan, I have been giving my watch list profiles some attention.  And where ever I can I have been uploading photos and birth or marriage church documents.  I have also been transcribing them because they can be very difficult to read.  I don't think by uploading these documents I am breaking any infringement laws, I think these would be considered public.  (If I am incorrect in this perhaps someone can let me know?).  I also paraphrase not just these but also those documents where uploading is not feasible.  

I am enjoying WT very much and it is thanks to all you people that makes working here so much fun.

It is still early here so not bedtime yet.  Happy dreams.

Nicole take a look at this link all the way through  It appears to me it is a mixed bag in Canada that can vary by type of record (church, cemetery, civil etc) and by Province or even city.  

Generally, from reading I have done and working with Rights and Permissions Legal firms to actually buy rights,  if no money changes hands... meaning you don't sell the transcriptions, it is not worth it for someone to sue you because there is nothing to go after per se...but that also can vary internationally.
Thanks Laura.  I will re-look at those uploads.  The information link you have sent is very helpful.  I think i am pretty safe on most, but just the same will re-look at everything.

How, are the little ones?  Where do you find the time to watch your grand daughter, answer DataDoctors and Chat ALL AT THE SAME TIME?
Today both granddaughters are doing things with their Mom's families.  We did dinner last night with everyone but the new baby.  We worked around his feeding schedule and he sleeps a lot in between.  I can't be around the baby with even an allergy related cough so I stayed home today.  So am catching up on correspondence.  Had over 1200 emails at 6 am and as I clear a bunch more come flowing in.   A lot are sale notices so I can just move them to a shopping folder.  I am trying to do a few answers on Wikitree when I feel the info I have might make a difference and it makes this a little more normal for me
+10 votes

Today is....



On November 17, homes will fill with warm, comforting aromas reminding us to slow down and enjoy National Homemade Bread Day.

Yeast bread calls for us to slow down and spend time with each other as we work the dough and let it rest and rise before baking.  Quick breads allow a special treat to share and enjoy with coffee or tea.  Other homemade breads, such as donuts, pretzels, muffins and biscuits add variety to our everyday meals and making them with friend and family brings joy and an opportunity to exchange recipes.


You have plenty of time before Thanksgiving Day... Take out your recipe box and get to baking.  Or find a few new recipes.  


The National Homemade Bread Committee from Ann Arbor, Michigan founded National Homemade Bread Day to encourage families to enjoy making homemade bread.  The day has been celebrated since the early 1980s.

by Dorothy Barry G2G Astronaut (2.3m points)
Dorothy, I will be baking rolls for Thanksgiving dinner, a tradition I started several years ago, but I will be baking them on the Wednesday before the dinner so that they are a bit fresher. I used to do bread as well but cut back on that because it was getting to be too much for me to do and most preferred my rolls.
We LOOOOOVE bread. However, since my wife has to keep her intake of carbs in check, we go hunting for the low-carb mixes. Actually, they aren’t that hard to find. We have a store here called Food Matters, and it has stuff we never even heard of until now. Some really good choices of bread mixes. We do pay a (much) higher price, but it sure does smell good baking!  Some meals just don’t work without bread!
Bread might be the thing for today. It is cold and sleety/snowy and we've already had the high for the day. Need the practice for Thursday.
Yum. I have several recipes but am not in a position to post them till much later.  My husband is helping my elderly aunt and I am waiting for my granddaughter to arrive as my son goes to the hospital today.   Baby is going back and forth with eating so feeding tube is going in and out.  Now he may not come home this week..  every day things change and we just need to be ready for fast response

A couple of bread recipes:

Cranberry Pumpkin Nut Bread Mix

2 cups flour

1 tbs pumpkin pie spice

1 tsp baking powder

½ tsp baking soda

¼ tsp salt

¾ cup sugar

½ cup firmly packed brown sugar

1 cup chopped cranberries

¾ cup chopped macadamia nuts or pecans  

1 can pumpkin

1/3 cup vegetable oil

2 large eggs

Cooking spray

Preheat oven to 340.  Coat 9 x 5 x 3 inch loaf pan with cooking spray.

Combine nuts and cranberries in a small bowl.

Beat pumpkin, eggs, and oil in large bowl on medium speed 1 minute.  Mix in sugar, add flour mixture, Beat until blended.  Stir in nuts and cranberries by hand.

Spread batter in loaf pan.  Bake 45 to 50 minutes or until toothpick inserted in center comes out clean.  Cool 15 minutes in pan, transfer to wire rack to cool completely.  Store tightly covered with plastic wrap.


Applesauce Spice Bread Mix

2.5 cups flour

1 cup plus 2 tbs packed brown sugar

¾ cup raisins

½ cup walnuts chopped

1.25 tsp baking soda

1 tsp cinnamon

½ tsp salt

½ tsp baking powder

¼ tsp nutmeg

1.5 cups applesauce

6 tablespoons shortening

2 eggs

1.5 tsp vanilla

Powdered sugar optional

Preheat oven to 350.  Grease 9” square baking dish Combine all ingredients, beat on low for 30 seconds then on medium for 2 minutes.  Pour into pan.  Bake 40 to 45 minutes or until toothpick inserted in center comes out clean.  Cool 15 minutes in pan, transfer to wire rack to cool completely.  Store tightly covered with plastic wrap.  Top with powdered sugar if desired.

Pugliese with Tomato and Basil

10.5 pounds unbleached, stone ground flour

2 tbs kosher salt or course sea salt

2 packets of yeast

1 tsp sugar

½ cup sun dried tomato

¼ cup basil

3.5 to 4 cups warm water  (95 to 105 F)

½ cup extra virgin olive oil

Mix flour and salt.  Make a well in center.   In a separate small bowl combine yeast, sugar, 3 tbs of warm water.  Let stand until foamy 5 to 10 minutes.  Pour yeast mixture into well of flour mixture and mix well until dough is moist.  Slowly add in rest of warm water and oil mixture along with tomato and basil.  Dough should be soft but not sticky.  Knead dough for about 10 minutes.  Shape the dough into a ball.  Clean out the bowl and oil it well. Place the dough back into it.  Lightly coat with oil.  Cover and let rise in a warm place about 1 to 3 hours.  When it is double in size turn is out on a baking sheet and tuck in the edges forming a large loaf.  Try not to punch it down.  Cover dough and let it rise again about 1 to 1.5 hours.  Heat oven to 450.  Bake 20 minutes.  Reduce heat to 375 and bake 30 minutes longer.  Cool on wire rack. 

 Ethiopian Spice Bread

1 cup chopped onion

1 tbs garlic minced

1 tbs coriander ground

1 tbs sweet smoked paprika

1 tbs fenugreek

½ tsp black pepper

½ tsp cinnamon

¼ tsp red pepper

¼ tsp nutmeg

1/8 tsp cloves ground

4.5 cups flour

2 tsp kosher salt or course sea salt

1 packet yeast

3 tbs brown sugar

7 tbs butter

1.5 cups water

Melt 6 tbs butter in small pan.  Add onion, garlic, spices, cook for 2 minutes stirring constantly.  In a separate bowl mix flour and salt.  Make a well in the center.  Crumble yeast into a small bowl and add water warmed to 95 F and sugar.  Pour mixture into flour well and mix to moisten flour mixture.  Now add butter and spice mixture.  Cover and let stand for 20 minutes.  Knead 10 minutes.  Return to bowl and let rise for 2 hours.  Punch down dough.  Pull a piece and roll into a ball.  Shape rest of dough into a rough loaf on a baking sheet.  With a sharp knife cut a large cross in top of loaf.  Place piece of dough rolled into a ball in the center.  Cover and let stand for 1 hour.  Bake at 375 for 40 to 50 minutes.  If small piece of dough is cooking too quickly cover it with foil.  After baking move to wire rack for cooling.  Melt last tbs of butter and brush top of bread before serving. 

+6 votes
Sorry to say I may not get much done on the computer today. We found out yesterday that we will be having a second possibly long term house guest soon. A family member has to go to Cleveland Clinic for cancer treatments but they live to the southeast of Youngstown, Ohio. The drive time will be excessive so we offered our spare room for them to use during their treatments. This means that I will be moving my desk and radios into our bedroom and emptying the closet and a chest of drawers so that the room will be usable to them long term. So today the step son and one of the grandsons  will be helping me move furniture. In other news one of my other grandsons had to go for an MRI yesterday. He got hurt in a football game in October but after 2 sets of X-Rays they could not figure out why his arm still hurts. I don't know all of the details yet but he will be getting a cast on Wednesday so I guess they found something.

I guess I can't get a free Saturday no matter how hard I try.
by Dale Byers G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)
Dale, you reveal how big-hearted you are by making those kinds of adjustments. Good thing you’ve got help for moving stuff. You hang in there. We here fo you!
Just found out that we are going to Pennsylvania for a few hours to vies a big Christmas display we try to visit every year. That means we will be away from the computer for about 4 hours starting at 10 AM EST.
Hope you have a wonderful time. It’s good to get away for a while. Enjoy yourself!
Blessings to you for all the help you give and prayers for your relative
That is quite a disruption - vibes to ya and all - keep up the good work you do
+8 votes

Last weekend's little family get together was awesome.  Met a second cousin, talked genealogy, and after carryout Chinese for dinner we went through the family bibles and stuff.  Nothing earthshattering there in terms of family records, but a couple of tidbits that might be helpful.  My brother and I made tentative plans for a scanning marathon over the holidays so we can preserve the content of the old photos (some back to the late 1800's, and a cool WWI era album of crumbling photos from overseas somewhere.)

This week got busy, between the storm and work and stuff.  Yesterday my truck died just as I got to campus and I had to get it towed, so today it's getting a shiny new alternator.  We're hosting Thanksgiving (small group) and I'm nowhere near ready.  But instead of cleaning house I'm doing some other prep... getting the in-law ancestors on WikiTree!

by Lisa Hazard G2G6 Pilot (112k points)
Hi Lisa, and welcome to the Chat!

Boy, do I know about truck problems! Mine, a ‘98 F150 with about 190,000 miles on it. I bought it used three years ago and have put more into it than it deserved! Hope you have better luck. The new alternator might just do the trick!

I’ve got too many in-laws to put  in, too. Like I don’t have enough to do with my own family, right? Go for it!
Mine's a 1999 Tacoma; I bought it new in Sept 2000.  (I got a deal on it because they had "lost it" in inventory and were desperate to get it off the lot because the 2001s were about to roll in.) ~154,000 miles so far.  This is the first big problem it's had in quite a while.  (Knock wood...)  Tough little truck!
This is the smallest group I have ever had for Thanksgiving with so many people out this year due to health issues or seeing other sides of the family...yes we must share...I always invite my daughters in law's families but sometimes they have extended family events.  

So any great Thanksgiving recipes you want to share....I am making stuffing with frozen spinach and bacon mixed in.  That is new this year.

I usually "cook" out of cans and boxes.  blush   Not much in the way of recipes.  I can handle the turkey and mashed potatoes, but I'm mostly counting on my brother-in-law to do some actual cooking for us.

+10 votes
hello wikichatters (i Like that),

Times of celebration have started here in the Netherlands because Saint Nicolaas has arrived on his steamship in preperation of his birthday on 6th december. The grandchildren of the neighbours are very hyper and jump all over their house in anticipation because tonight they can put their shoes near the chimney or the door. In the hope the next morning one of "Sinterklaas" helpers put some sweets or a little present in their shoes.

The culmination will come on the evening of 5th december when Sinterklaas and his helpers will deliver loads of presents to the families.

My youngest son is 17 but he showed me the national arrival of St. Nicolaas on the telly to let me see he is allowed to put his shoe out for a present. Luckily I was prepared. In the cubboard are waiting. Chocolate Capitals. For Both of us an "E". The first lettre of both our names. His is White chocolate with crisps, mine milk with Hazelnuts.
by Eef van Hout G2G6 Mach 5 (58.2k points)
Eef, that's sounds wonderful. I love hearing how other places celebrate holidays. You'll have to make sure you come back on a later Chat to tell us all how everything went on Dec 5th and 6th!
I gave my granddaughters each a bag with some warm winter themed pajamas and a holiday outfit they can wear before the big holiday.... so I guess I have been honoring some of my Scandinavian heritage and did not know it
yay, the chocolate capitals, Yummie..... one of mum's best friends lived for decades in Rotterdam and mum often visited him in November, as then the Universal Esperanto Association (where this friend worked) has its Open Door's day then. When she went there twice in two weeks because she had lost her bag with all the documents in it at the first visit and the Rotterdam Police wasn't allowed to give it to her friend, she returned with a chocolate capital for me. I loved it!
ahum, The Netherlands is not in Scandinavia.......It's to the west  of Germany, north of Belgium. Scandinavia is Norway, Sweden, Finland and sometimes Danmark.

Although people abroad  think quite often I'm scandinavian.... (tall, blond, etc)  I'm not.
Well on the "Scandinavian DNA map" it encompasses the Netherlands, part of Germany, down into Belgium and Luxembourg.  I should have been more complete in my answer.  I think the DNA maps are using terms more broadly than geographically or politically correct usage...   

The British Isles goes into France.  

Paper trail I have Prussia and Germany for that Scandinavian map heritage...
@ Jelena: Cool you mention Esperanto,  i just signed up to do free lessons on line. The reason, just because.  Don't even have any one to practice with, so a lot of sounding to myself.  Yeah for your Mom and friend.  I assume your mom speaks Esperanto, are you a first generation native to the language?
@Laura: I haven't taken a DNA-test yet so I really don't think in those  terms. One of the reasons is I expect it to mention only western europe, for ages and ages. So nothing to gain there for me. I probably have a mix of German and Dutch DNA but the tests can't specify it so detailed yet. I Think I will wait a few more years.
@Nicole, no I'm not, although I understand loads. Actually when mum writes a long article for the monthly bulletin of the Esperanto club now, she sometimes writes the original in Esperanto and I translate it to German. Mum learned it in Serbia, that's also where she got to know the old friend who lived in Rotterdam. When she came to Germany, she got to know the woman who gave her a room to sleep in in the Esperanto Club of Hamburg. Later when my parents married and had to move out of Hamburg because of dad's work there wasn't a club in the new city, so mum stopped for quite a time to actively use it. She still read regularily, but when she started again she had some problems to produce sentences. But she kickstarted again and since then it's her third language.
@ Jelena: Wow, that is quite the history and at least you can sound out the language with your mother.  Other than doing translations for her, have you used it otherwise?  And is it popular or do you get "the look" when you mention this ability?  I knew of the language from quite a few years back and never thought anything of it.  I also speak French so here in Canada, with English and French there seemed to be no interest.  But just recently I thought this would be a good thing to learn and when i mention it to anyone I get "what's that?"
Nicole, when mum talks about Esperanto she gets various "looks". One of them is: "What's that? ", but actually that one isn't anymore that often. The other look is: "Oh, is that the artificial language? Are there actually people talking that language?" And the next look is: "I heard of Esperanto, but can you actually really talk in that language about whatever topic you want? Because that's what identifies languages." When mum then answers that there aren't actually some current numbers about how many people talk Esperanto because really many people learn it by internet (only in the combination English-Esperanto there are more than a million people learning it on Duolingo, and that isn't the only language combination where you can learn it) they are really astonished. But when she starts talking about the people she got to know through Esperanto on various congresses (in Budapest, Madrid and Hamburg, but also in Montpellier, Prague or Beijing) they start to marvel. She always says: "Imagine there are sitting in a group a person from Japan, one from Serbia, one from Germany, one from the USA, one from Cuba and one from Finland, and we don't need any interpreter. That's what Esperanto is for me."

I don't speak it myself, but I really can read it quite well.
Thank you Jelena,  I feel encouraged to continue with this effort.  I am learning it through lernu.net and that is because that was the first site that came up.  I have really enjoyed what you have shared with me.  Thank you!
+8 votes
Greetings from Everett, Washington!

I pore over G2G on my phone when I'm not entering profiles and I just want Pip to know that I read his posts whatever the topic.  His attitude is so helpful that it cheers me up.

Snow is rare here in western Washington.  Frost has been seen on rooftops and the lawns a few days this month.  We live in a convergence zone where winds come together. When it does snow (conditions have to be just right) it seems that our house is in a cold spot and it just melts slower.  Maybe it's all the cedars surrounding us.

I always look forward to Doug's photos of his flowers and cats.  I appreciate other people's gardens.  Me, I have a garden of distant relatives.

My daughter likes her new job.  My husband, son and I will probably go visit my mother-in-law on Thanksgiving, unless she tells us not to come.  In any case, my daughter would rather work on Thanksgiving than go down and visit grandma, whose violent behavior towards her is still a vivid memory.  Therefore we are making plans to have our Thanksgiving meal as breakfast on Thursday morning, with leftovers for daughter to take to work at the movie theater, and then a dinner when she gets off work at six p.m.

Thanksgiving is a tough time for me, especially this year when it falls on the 22nd, the anniversary in 1984 of my mother's being stricken with a fatal aneurysm after Thanksgiving dinner.  I wish my daughter could have known my mother.  Well, "things might have been different, but they could not have been better," as Gandalf says.  

Correspondence via email this week with a distant cousin has revealed that she is distantly related to both me and my husband.  She found her ancestor's profile on Wikitree that I am PM for.  I have been sending documents about her ancestor who was registrar of voters in an 1871 Texas congressional election and who gave testimony before Congress in 1872 about how votes were counted.  Very timely.

Restless searching for branches that need work led me back to the mess in Guernsey County, Ohio.  Frame, Thompson and Baird families are rife with endogamy.  I investigated a couple married in 1862 and found from their marriage record that they were born about 20 years later than I had them.  Now I doubt they belong to the parents I had them with.  Can't find Susannah Baird b ca 1844 and James T. Frame b ca 1841 in the 1850 or 1860 Censuses.  I should post this in more detail on G2G.  I think Susannah died between 1860 and 1870 but I'm not sure.

Well, God bless you all and may we all thank Him this weekend.
by Margaret Summitt G2G6 Pilot (107k points)
Margaret! I was wondering where you were!

Sounds like you will have full days ahead. We’ve got two Thanksgivings, beginning tomorrow when my step-sister and her husband come up from Atlanta for two days. Thursday, my daughter and her fiancée are coming up from Charleston for a few days. Well be joined by my brother and his wife and two of their sons at my Mom’s. It’s gonna be a week-long get-together for us. Guess I won’t be spending much time in the computer.

Testimony before Congress in 1872. Bet you wish you had a video of that!
Wow Margaret a Lord of the Rings quote!  I think during Thanksgiving we are a lot like Hobbits with extra meals!

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