A Smith Quaker Mess

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Hello.  This is a tangle.  I initiated an unmerged match between William Smith [[Smith-146066]] and William Smith [[Smith-132530]],

I have no information about William Smith's death date or place after his marriage to Jane Underwood [[Underwood-169]] at Warrington Monthly Meeting in Lancaster County, Pa., 29th of 8th month 1747.  William was the son of John Smith, deceased.  The profile [[Smith-132530]] has William's death date as before 1809 in Union District, South Carolina.  Can anyone confirm that the William and Jane Smith in South Carolina are William Smith and Jane Underwood?

Although I'm confident that the father of the William Smith [[Smith-132530]] who married Jane Underwood [[Underwood-169]] was named John Smith, I wrote about 20 years ago in a research report I called "Deep Smith Roots" that I had been looking for John Smith and I laid out why none of the John Smiths I found appeared to match.  The only sibling of William that I found was Joseph Smith [[Smith-44576]] who married Rachel Beals [[Beals-69]] 7th of 12th month 1752 at Warrington Monthly Meeting in York County, Pa.  I recycled a detached John Smith [[Smith-44576]] and set him as the father of William and Joseph.

Someone gave my "Deep Smith Roots" research report as a source for a John Smith that is the father of William [[Smith-146066]].  This report does not prove anything about William's mother or siblings other than Joseph.  Maybe I should post the "Deep Smith Roots" report as a free space page.

At present I am inclined to reject the unmerged match, as William Smith [[Smith-146066]] has no brother named Joseph and the sources are inadequate.
WikiTree profile: William Smith
in Genealogy Help by Margaret Summitt G2G6 Pilot (137k points)

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Margaret, I created the profile for William Smith [[Smith-132530]] in July of last year. I am also confident that the father of William Smith who married Jane Underwood was named John Smith, as shown in the marriage records of Warrington Monthly Meeting. The problem is that I can find no records to clearly indicate which particular John Smith might be the father of William. The profile for Smith-44576 which you attached as the father of William has nothing on it by way of dates or places and no sources.  All that I have learned is that John Smith, father of William Smith, was deceased by 1747. This is why he has been marked as uncertain and a research note was left on his profile.

As to your questions about William Smith and Jane Underwood, I do believe that they are the same couple as William and Jane Smith in South Carolina. The sources on William and Jane's profiles seem pretty clear to me. There are marriage records, children's birth records, deeds to some of their children and deeds when some of the children were settling William's estate in 1809. Did you look at any of the sources on the profiles?

As an added note,  The first two legs of a triangulation to Alexander Underwood and Jane Harris is established. Descendants Reba Duckett Mahaney T528972 and Larry Stephenson share three statistically significant segments of autosomal DNA. We are still searching for other cousins to complete the triangle. Note that Reba's siblings and children also match to Larry.

by Karen Raichle G2G6 Mach 7 (74.1k points)
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Hi Karen.  Your answer confirms that I should not merge the two William Smith profiles. The problem lies with the  one that has no spouse.

I am descended from the elusive John Smith through William's brother Joseph,  who married Rachel Beals. I could not find records for Sadsbury or Goshen monthly meetings early enough, before 1747, and I am not sure whether John Smith even was a Quaker then.

Have you found anything besides the marriage records for William and Joseph that connects them as brothers or as the sons of John?
by Margaret Summitt G2G6 Pilot (137k points)

I have found no official documents other than the marriage record for Joseph Smith in 1752.  This marriage record seems to link the two men William and Joseph as brothers.

I also have a transcription of a letter written by a Jacob Smith of Frederick County Virginia in 1788 to his "Loving  uncle ____".  My guess is the uncle was William Smith, since the letter was found in the Bible of Benjamin Duckett (Duckett-120), along with many other family letters. Benjamin was the grandson of William Smith and Jane Underwood. Unfortunately I don't know who this Jacob Smith in Frederick County Virginia was.

The handwritten original is in poor condition and difficult to read. This letter and others were in possession of my family until the mid 1990's when they were donated to the South Carolina Library along with Benjamin Duckett's Bible and other family documents and family correspondence.

This Jacob Smith had seven children according to his letter.  He named them as Elizabeth, Rachel, John, Ann, Joseph, Mary, and Josiah. One of the sons was deceased by 1788. Can you identify this Jacob Smith?

Probably he is Jacob Smith, http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Smith-15725, a son of Joseph Smith and Rachel Beals.  Jacob Smith married Patience Ballinger at Hopewell Monthly Meeting in Frederick County, VA, 15th of 8th month 1776 (Hopewell Friends History, p. 264--I have a copy of this book).  I had children Elizabeth Smith b 1777 who d 1834 in Greene County, Ohio and Nancy Ann Smith b Feb 1784 married Samuel Kyle who lived in Greene County, OH and Delaware County, IN.  Nancy was their fifth child. 

One of my email correspondents found that Jacob and Patience Smith had 13 children between 1777 and 1798; she expressed her frustration that this information was found on an unsourced Ancestral File tree.

I have for William Smith a possible daughter, Elizabeth, born about 1753 in Chester County, married Daniel or David Lamborn Dec 1799 at Kennett Monthly Meeting in Chester County, and died 1837 in Chester County.  She is supposed to have had a son, John Smith Lamborn, in 1801.  Does this Elizabeth belong as a daughter to William and Jane?  

     

No to the Elizabeth Smith as daughter of William Smith.  Bush River MM records (Newberry SC)  show 10 children born 1748 - 1770 to William and Jane Smith. These ten are all listed with their dates and sources on their own profiles and connected to William and Jane.

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