James Edgecock Field

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I wonder if anyone would have much more success than me and three relatives, plus a couple of professional genealogists, who have studied this brick wall

James Edgecock Field (Edgecock I suspect may have been the mother's maiden name)

My notes, thus far are below:

The birth identity of James Field cannot be established in circa 1791 (the age taken off the Census documents), and thus parentage seems obscure to us..   There were no births of a James Field in Canterbury during c. 1791, aside from one who died as an infant (son of John and Cecilia Field baptised 23 November 1790 - this poor couple lost no less than five children to infant mortality).

The name Hedgecock or Edgecock is associated with this James (two of his sons had second names Edgecock).  A James Hatchcock was baptised on 11 November 1792 being the son of William and Hannah Hatchcock (assumably spelt correctly, but may well be Hedgecock or Edgecock - Could actually be Hitchcock with their predominance in Canterbury and surrounds). By all accounts he was an only child.  The theory goes that James' father died and his mother, Hannah, remarried a Field and James was adopted and took on the name Field. Its a long shot!  No marriages can be found between a Hannah (with variants) and a James Hatchcock/Edgecock in St.Mary Northgate.  Taking the search a little wider, geographically, but within Canterbury there are 16 marriage records for Hannah to James.  A James Badcock married Hannah Newman Jun/Jul 1783 at St. Mildred, Canterbury.  This would be stretching it a touch.  Broadening this yet further, there are 87 marriages of Hannah in Kent leading up to 1791 (birth of James).  The only, and this is coincidental, marriage is that of a James Hedgecock married a Hannah Brugar on 15 May 1787 (OR 1788 - perhaps a transcription difference) at Egeton, Kent England.  James is not William!   

A search of all Williams married to Hannahs in Kent, gives 1551 results.  The only similar surname to Hatchcock found was that of Hitchcock who married Hannah Lovell, St. James, Dover on 17 July 1787 - the date fits.  Now to the hypothesis that this William died after James was born.   Firstly,  no Hatchcocks died in Kent that we can find.  Nor can we find Edgecock deaths.  There are plenty of Hedgecock deaths.  Of the Williams likely there is one who died in Lydd, Kent in 1797 (no age given - and no apparent surviving family by 1841 Census) and one who died in 1803 in Lyminge, Kent aged  85 (unlikely - and no surviving family c. 1841), an one who died in 1806 in Cranbrooke (aged not given).  We also note a William Hitchcock died in 1832 in Dover.    If this is the same person spelled as Hatchcock then it dispels the theory. Testing Census appearances for evidence of Hannah in Dover establishes that the Dover Hitchcock never remarried.

Perhaps we might focus on deaths of males Hedgecock/Edgecock/Hitchcock in the Canterbury District.  John Hedgecock died April 1804, buried 15 April 1804 at Challock, Charing, Canterbury.  No age given.  Parents William and Ellenor.

There was a marriage of James Field to Mary Indell on 5 March 1811 which should not be ignored at this point.  This James would have been born at the same time as 'our' James.  No parent/father names/trades are mentioned. No trace can be found of Mary Indell with name variants in England.

The alternate is that James Field was actually born away from Canterbury, yet Census Documents suggest otherwise - 1851 - Born Kent, Canterbury; 1861 - Born Canterbury Kent; 1871 - Kent, Canterbury.  A mere 471 James were born and 22 were baptised in Canterbury between 1788-1792!  Needle in a haystack.  Of those there are no Edgecocks.  There is a Hatchcock referred to above.  However, there is no tangible evidence to show how Hatchcock came to be known as Field.

Its a total mystery!
WikiTree profile: James Field
in Genealogy Help by Andrew Field G2G6 Mach 3 (36.7k points)
I never saw a referance for James  Edgecock or Hedgecock   Field

anywhere.Where did you find it.???
Wayne... Thanks...  Have a look at the sourcing on the profile - the marriage and banns are found in Kent Archdeaconry  - St Margaret Parish Baptism Registers database with images findmypast.com citing  U3/6 Kent Canterbury Archdeaconry Baptisimal Records.  I shall display images this evening.
Please do not add copyright images.

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He's possibly the James Hedgecock who was baptised 15 May 1791 in Great Chart, Kent, to parents John and Elizabeth.

I can't trace the circumstances by which he might have become known as Field but James Field's eldest children were named John, James and Eliza.
by Matthew Fletcher G2G6 Pilot (132k points)
selected by Andrew Field
Thanks Matthew... it’s seem like a good fit, and I have been to the baptismal record before.  The coincidence of children’s names compelling... but why the name change?  Truly a mystery... should I be a Hedgecock?  I wonder if surname changes were the common thing... or whether he adopted it as an alias for nefarious purposes
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Death  Faith Hope Charity Johnson, Canterbury,Kent born abt 1790

died March 28 1880 age 91,
by Wayne Morgan G2G Astronaut (1.1m points)
Thanks Wayne...Is that not the burial date?
All it says reg.period 1st quarter 1880,Jan,Feb,March.

I have seen Tree?s that say Jan 1880,but she would not lay far

2 months before Burial.
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I would start with the theory that he was illegitimate, christened with his mother's surname , and later took on the name Field.. That does not necessarily mean that his mother actually married a Field . I've seen this pattern lots of times . Field would be likely to be his father's surname, though.

What do you have regarding his marriage ? Is he "Field" on the marriage papers ? What other names are on them as witnesses ?
by Joe Farler G2G6 Pilot (151k points)
It seems certain he was born in Canterbury. Could he have been christened elsewhere ? Maybe where his mother was from ?
Thanks Joe...  James married Charity Johnson at Canterbury, St Margaret  10 Nov 1812 (Kent archdeaconry Records) - his name is stated as James Hedgecock - I cannot decipher the names of the witnesses - Looks like May Lemon/Leman (Could be Mary Lemar) and Edward Burgefo - There are Marriage Banns for the couple in October.   First Child, John Edgecock Field born in 1813...   Baptised Feb 21 1813 - Father is named as James Edgecock Field and mother is Charity.  So it looks like James' marriage certificate missed out his surname (got it wrong).   All the other children were baptised and James becomes simply James Field...
Interesting .... What is he on the marriage banns; Field or (H)Edgecock ?
Well there is the worrying thing... He is Hedgecock on the marriage bann too, leading me to suspect that this was not error.  I sometime wonder if we are (chasing the wrong roots) linking the wrong marriage/banns individuals to several child (all of whom are most definitely associated with my family tree).  Yet Faith Hope Charity Johnson is the only person I can establish (from subsequent Census and birth records) who fits the bill.  I cannot find a marriage of James Field to Charity (her preferred name) Johnson or any variants of the name i.e. Faith or Hope.   Hence, for the second time I raise this line of inquiry here in G2G.   Thank you once more for your consideration of the matter.

Well, Faith Hope Charity Johnson seems to be the vital link between James Hedgecock and James Edgecock Field.  I would think that if the Banns, (which should have been read out to the congregation on three Sundays preceeding the wedding )  say Hedgecock then the chances are that he was known by that name right up until the marriage.

Then he seems to have assumed the surname Field between his marriage and the baptism of his first child 4 months later. 

By the way, there is a James Field, Butcher, of Northgate, Canterbury in the 1818 poll book. This is likely to be the same James Field, Butcher in later censuses. Here's a link to the image:

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Joe... Thank you so much for that reference... yes no doubt 'our' James Field the Butcher and working out of Northgate, which was my family's epicenter at the time.  The mystery between Hedgecock and Field, I guess may never be revealed, as much as I wish it could be.  You are right Faith Hope Charity Johnson is the link.  Obviously the question is how to break the brick wall...  I shall have to search a lot more!
And I'll be sure to see where John Field, a Gent...seend a few lines down the page... of Northgate fits in here too.

Yes - I wonder who he is... There is also  John Barber Field in the same book, entry 613. He's based in London and is a "Sadler". He has Canterbury connections - his daughter was born there. He's too young (b.1778) to be James' father but intriguingly gives his occupation as "Hog Butcher" in an Old Bailey case. More about him here : http://www.g4fas.net/mmfmf.html

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