Lookup needed from FS with LDS Account (hoping the picture of the entry is visible there

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I'm currently doing a transcription spamming to Wikitree from FamilySearch-indexed documents of people with my surnames who are from the town of my ancestors. With many of them I still don't know how they are related to me, but they somehow will be related to me - time will tell. Some years ago a blogger used the FS-microfiches and transcribed them, so he is my second reference to check for correctness. Often I believe him more than the FS-index, because I know he really saw the entry with his own eyes. But now I have a problem which I cannot resolve without someone seeing the document.

There is the couple Johann Friedrich Eckstädt and Caroline Christiane Dorothee (Genth) Eckstädt. The blogger says they were married on 8 Dec 1837. The marriage is also listed in the blogpost for 1837. There is no Eckstädt that is married in 1838 according to him. FamilySearch says in its index entry, they were married 18 Dec 1838. Someone has to be wrong. So who has the correct entry.  (Have a look here: "Deutschland, ausgewählte evangelische Kirchenbücher 1500-1971," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPXK-BL9W : 11 November 2018), Johann Friedrich Eckstädt and Caroline Christiane Dorothee Genth, 18 Dec 1838; Records extracted and images digitized by Ancestry.com; citing Marriage, Tangermünde, Tangermünde, Stendal, Sachsen, Preußen, Deutschland, page 46, Staatliche archivverwaltung der deutschen demokratischen republik (Archives of the German Democratic Republic), Germany; FHL microfilm)

Thanks a lot for your help 

Edit: After reading that at Ancestry the picture of the entry is not visible, even though the FS source citation says something else, I changed the headline hoping that it is visible for LDS-members of FamilySearch

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I cannot open the link as I am no LDS-member. If you want to make the image visible for me could you please upload it on the profile linked above? Thanks for looking for it.

Answer 1

Name:	Johann Friedrich Eckstädt
Gender:	männlich (Male)
Marriage Age:	38
Event Type:	Heirat (Marriage)
Birth Date:	25 Jan 1800
Marriage Date:	18 Dez 1838 (18 Dec 1838)
Marriage Place:	Tangermünde, Sachsen (Saxony), Deutschland (Germany)
Father:	Johann Friedrich Eckstädt
Mother:	Catharine Elisabeth Eckstädt
Spouse:	Caroline Christiane Dorothee Genth
Parish as it Appears:	Tangermünde
City or District:	Tangermünde
Page Number:	46

Source:

Lutherische Kirchenbücher, 1760-1890. Landesarchiv Sachsen-Anhalt, Magdeburg, Deutschland; database, "Saxony, Prussia, Lutheran Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1760-1890," Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2016 ({{Ancestry Record|61132|629454}}: accessed 12 December 2018): citing  Landesarchiv Sachsen-Anhalt; Magdeburg, Deutschland; Film Number: 1190657.

That film number should correspond to FamilySearch.

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The image is not available on Ancestry.

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Thanks a lot :). That's actually the first time I see the blogger has a mistake.

The image is not available on Ancestry? So what the .... is FS saying then in their source citation? Urgh!

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I think it means that FamilySearch has not indexed the images, but Ancestry did make an index.

About this collection

This collection contains an index of names found in parish registers from numerous Protestant communities that are today part of the German state of Saxony-Anhalt. The oldest church records in this collection date from the 18th century. Many of the parish registers end in 1874. In addition to records traditionally kept by the Church in Prussian provinces, the State mandated on 1 October, 1874 that personal and vital statistics be recorded by local registry offices.

The collection includes, among others, the cities of Magdeburg, Halle (Saale), Stendal, Salzwedel, Aschersleben, Merseburg, Weißenfels, Wernigerode and Zeitz. Also included are many communities located within the historic boundaries of the Prussian Province of Saxony. The area covered was made up of a northern portion, comprising the historic Altmark region, and a southern portion which were divided by the Duchy of Anhalt in the middle. Not included in this collection are the communities of Bernburg, Zerbst and Dessau, which belonged to the Principalities of Anhalt and later the Duchy of Anhalt. The main areas of the Province of Saxony (1815-1944) lie today within the German state of Saxony-Anhalt.

What you can find in the records

This collection is an index to the names found in the ecclesiastical records. Parish records primarily contain information about births and baptisms, marriages, and deaths and burials. Images of the records themselves are not included. The following details may be found:

• Last Name, Given Names
• Event Type (Birth, Baptism, Marriage, Death, Burial)
• Event Date
• Event Place, Community
• Relatives (usually Parents or Children)

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but in the FS source citation it clearly says: "Records extracted and images digitized by Ancestry.com;". So FS and Ancestry don't live up to what they claim to do. Booo! 

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Not sure what you mean by "FS and Ancestry don't live up to what they claim to do." FamilySearch attempts to provide digital images when they are legally allowed to. When they originally microfilmed records, they entered into a contract with the organizations that own the records. In the era of digitization, those contracts don't always allow making things available outside of certain places.New contracts are needed and in some cases the owning organization won't allow general access and restricts FS and Ancestry.

If I have time later today I will see if I can get the image from the film. This is one where the digital image isn't accessible without an LDS member login. The film doesn't have any notation so might be available.

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When they say: "Records and images digitized by Ancestry,com" then I expect Ancestry to make the pictures available. AFAIK this is a cooperation between FS and Ancestry in that way that FS makes the index available and Ancestry delivers the image. Only in 5 years FS will be allowed to show the picture themselves. 

This is my opinion about that topic. Others can have theirs, but I tell mine. 

Answer 2

Hi Jelena:

In case this is still of interest to you, the image is now available at ancestry.com at https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61132/images/1190657-00160

The image itself does not actually have a date on it. But if you flip back through the images, you will see that it is from the Kirchenbuchduplikat 1837 (see https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61132/images/1190657-00113). The Kirchenbuchduplikat 1838 does not begin until image 166 at https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/61132/images/1190657-00165. So, your blogger was actually correct that this marriage was in 1837, and familysearch.org and ancestry.com were wrong in placing it in 1838.

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Problem is: I don't have a paid Ancestry account, so I can't see the picture the way you linked it. There is a possibility to make a paywall image visible for not paying people, but I don't know how that works. But thanks for telling me that Kevin is right. :)

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Ah, o.k. Here is the image: https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/21042935?h=f0afa6&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share-modal&utm_medium=copy-url

I guess you will have to trust me that I flipped through all the images in sequence and determined this was in the Kirchenbuchduplikat 1837.