Free space pages for convict ships to get all passengers on wikitree

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I am wondering if it would be a good idea to create a free space page for a convict ship to put detailed information about each voyage, and also to get everyone on board the ships added on to wikitree. Would that be a good idea?
asked in The Tree House by Kylie Haese G2G6 (9.1k points)
retagged by Maggie N.
Last year I started working on Shipping because it is a bit messy.

Under the category we have sub categories for each ship. Eg [[Category:Rockingham 1818]] where the 1818 is the year of launch.  This differentiates other ships of the same name but launched at different times.

Each ship should then have a sub category for each sailing eg [[Category:Rockingham, sailing 1830]]. It is on these sailings categories that we can put a link to the passenger lists.  It is the sailings category that should go onto an individual profile.  It is also on the sailings category that we can add the category for where it sailed to eg [[Arrivals in Swan River Colony]] etc.  Various sailings of the same ship may have gone to different colonies.  

If each sailing goes under the Shipping category the list is going to get too big.  This keeps the information on each category page as small as possible.

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I think so! smiley

answered by E Childs G2G6 Mach 6 (62.6k points)
selected by Kylie Haese
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Convict ships each have their own category pages on Wikitree, one per voyage.   You could use those category pages instead of creating a free space page if you wished (but not mandatory).
answered by Leigh Murrin G2G6 Mach 2 (27.8k points)
Category pages are not supposed to carry a lot of information, especially an entire passenger list.

See:https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Category_FAQ#Should_there_be_content_on_category_pages.3F
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My feeling is that this would be yet another list for convicts, which are already listed on the relevant Project Pages for First Fleet, Second Fleet etc and in the ship of arrival categories. I feel it's quite bewildering already. It took me ages when I was a newbie to understand the difference between Projects and Categories, let alone find any of them.

If a full list can't  be included on the Category page because "rules" then I suggest we make sure there's at least one link to a good list elsewhere on line.
answered by Anne Tichborne G2G6 Mach 3 (33.2k points)
I understand what your saying, but I focus a lot on convicts who came to Western Australia. The 'convicts after the the third fleet' page says it's NOT focusing on convicts to WA and there are only about 3-5 listed in the table that convicts are to be added to.

If we are trying to have this tree that's adding people via projects working on similar interests then I like to think that a specific Ship would be beneficial. I would like to learn about the other convicts who were with my ancestor on the same ship. And WA is getting short changed.

And I have enrolled pensioner guards in my tree. They came over on the convict ships but aren't mentioned on the convict project pages. Or on very many other sites either.
I didn't realize Western Australia was so under-represented. As a South Australian, I've also observed a distinct eastern states point of view in Australia Project pages.

Perhaps what needs to be done in the first instance is better representation of Western Australian convicts and settlers?

Not forgetting whalers and sealers,who often preceded official colonists - so often overlooked.
I have whalers and sealers in my tree too. One of them had a write up and a story about on his 90th birthday.

I don't have them in my tree but they're a particular interest of mine. I'd love to see the article about your relative. You might be interested in my WikiTree Page Straitsmen and Straits Women

Here is Lawrence Gorman profile and if you scroll down to sources you will notice the first one is titled Whaling, Sealing, Pearling, with a link, that will take you straight to it. It's a great read.And all his own personal memories and stories. I will head on over to straitsmen and straits women. I overlooked it thinking it wasn't really WA related.

this is a great thread, It broaches the differences in actively researching versus completed information, the aid versus the finish product.... that is all.... people use the sections in different ways.... groups usingthings the same way asssume they are biased.... very interesting from a POV not quite involved...
Couldn't you add a tag for each ship to the convicts' (and associated travellers) profiles.
Megan, that is encouraged. That's how the existing lists under Categories are created, eg [[Category: NiceShip 1820]] under [[Category:Arrivals to New South Wales]] will ideally give you a list of all profiles of people who were on that voyage. HOWEVER, this system relies on WikiTreers knowing that the Categories exist and how to  use them and being motivated to do so.

I don't know whether anyone ever looks at a ship of arrival category and, with passenger list in hand (if available) searches to see if there are Profiles out there that should be included.
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 - hi  Kylie Haese  before you rush into it, take a look at off-site pages - perthdps , iinet perth , and others - In Aust , we are blessed with the FREE Trove (NLA) site. - Also with cemeteries in WA we have mcb =   http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/ , which gives a lot of info on the now 5 or 6 sites, and the Nat Trust East Perth 6 or so cemeteries = http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/graves/map-1952.htm .  I work across the 4 southern states and use AWM NAA state Libs, and Art galleries. In our tree we had a PensGd go from England to Canada to Tas, back to England, and to WA - his wife had a daug born in Pt Arthur - - - so dont forget LincTas - - all free - - - cheers -ja

ps. and also = https://vwma.org.au/

the WA ships = http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/shipping/mig-wa.htm

answered by John Andrewartha G2G6 Mach 3 (39.5k points)
edited by John Andrewartha
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Great idea. Maybe can be a sub project of convict project. There are plenty of places to find information anyone can help.

Kylie, there's no reason why ships to WA as well.
answered by Julie Rourke G2G3 (3.8k points)
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 - Movement during the convict period is not large - - but the movement during the 'gold rushes' of free people is another challenge - - have a look at this one for Port Albany from the eastern States - - - http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article33150680 -

PORT OF ALBANY. ARRIVALS. ALBANY, February 10.
Western Mail (Perth, WA : 1885 - 1954) Friday 18 February 1898 p 25 Article
... Cartn?y (two), McKie, Gillivany, Maybay, Fadden, Metcalf, Mills, Morgan,.. Mcalister.. McKenzie, Morris, Mc ... ), Swift, Thrumbîé, Smith, Oliver, McIntyre, .Syms. Taylor, Wilkie,; Cattery, - Hall, Dawson, Kro ... 1626 words - - could be 1600 people + their children - - enjoy the read - cheers - ja

answered by John Andrewartha G2G6 Mach 3 (39.5k points)
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Well done Kylie. Thanks considering setting this up. Its an excellent idea.
answered by Gillian Thomas G2G6 Mach 8 (82.4k points)
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I think that would be a good idea. Put a link to that Freespace on the category for that ship so people can find it that way if they want to.

I’m also in WA and find there is limited data and information on the Swan River Colony.  I don’t have any convicts in my background but my uncle did marry into a family that arrived in the SRC in 1830 on the Rockingham.  [[Joyce-2630|John Joyce]]
answered by Deborah Talbot G2G6 Mach 3 (34.2k points)
In sorting this out I discovered John Joyce was not on the Rockingham but on the Success.  I finally found him on a passenger list. It took some sleuthing.

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