Any information on marriages after Nelson Carpenter's Death? [closed]

Question

I'm seeing possible spouses for Amanda Danford after Nelson Carpenter's death in 1863 OR were there two Nelson Carpenters and their information is getting confused.

Sarah Martha "Sallie" Carpenter was my great-great grandmother and I have census reports showing Amanda Danford was her mother (listed as mother in law to her spouse, JH Weston, with children listed confirmed, in Barbour County, Alabama).

Thank you for any help or knowledge you have!

Brandy

Answer 1

If she got married again it would be Amanda Carpenter marrying xyz.

There are a lot of Amanda Carpenters that got married after 1863, would it have been in Alabama also?

Comments

Optional keywords	-
First name(s)	Sallie A?
Last name	Carpenter
Sex	Female
Father's first name(s)	-
Father's last name	-
Mother's first name(s)	-
Mother's last name	-
Event	Marriage
Year	1864
Event date	05 Dec 1864
Location	-
Place	Montgomery, Alabama, United States
County	Montgomery
State	Alabama
Country	United States
Spouse's first name(s)	William W.
Spouse's last name	Tarleton
Spouse's sex	Male
Spouse's father's first name(s)	-
Spouse's father's last name	-
Spouse's mother's first name(s)	-
Spouse's mother's last name	-
FamilySearch film number	001492093
Record set	United States Marriages
Category	Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory	Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from	Americas, United States

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Just gone back and looked at the census, it’s 1910 and she is still a Carpenter, so doesn’t look like the above is correct

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I found two of her younger children with fathers listed on their marriage documents. Both men were brothers of Nelson, so I'm thinking that she was taken in by the brothers... She showed receiving a Confederate pension. I also read a story that it's possible that she never remarried due to the pension and continued good relations with the family. Man that makes genealogical research difficult!

Even then, there is a child born after 1863 who listed Nelson as his father on his marriage document. I'm guessing that's why you have to have a birth certificate these days to help with problems like this!

Answer 2

Okay, you have a serious problem right off the bat. A man who died in 1863 cannot possibly have fathered a child born in 1872. So either he is not her father or he did not die in 1863.

Comments

I know - that is my problem. All of the other family trees (Ancestry, family search) list Nelson Carpenter as her father but that cannot be the case. I thought that was what I was asking above. Thanks for trying to help though.

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I also found this record;

 U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007

Name:	Dausie Emanuel Carpenter
Gender:	Male
Race:	White
Birth Date:	14 Nov 1895
Birth Place:	Barbour CO, Alabama
Father:	Nelson Carpenter
Mother:	Amandia Danford
SSN:	258266659
Notes:	Sep 1941: Name listed as DAUSIE EMANUEL CARPENTER

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And then I found the following.

Alabama, Texas and Virginia, Confederate Pensions, 1884-1958

Name:	Dausie Emanuel Carpenter
Gender:	Male
Race:	White
Birth Date:	14 Nov 1895
Birth Place:	Barbour CO, Alabama
Father:	Nelson Carpenter
Mother:	Amandia Danford
SSN:	258266659
Notes:	Sep 1941: Name listed as DAUSIE EMANUEL CARPENTER

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And this:

Alabama, Texas and Virginia, Confederate Pensions, 1884-1958

Name:	Nelson Carpenter
Application Date:	11 Jun 1891
Application Place:	Barbour
Spouse:	Amanda Carpenter
Pension File Number:	97
Application Type:	Widow

Free Image Link

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I still don't know what to make of it - could Dausie have put the wrong father because he didn't know who his father was? Dausie was born after 1895, then Nelson couldn't have been the father. Unless there were two Nelson's and they've become muddled. Do we trust the record when it seems to conflict? Especially when there are tales of Amanda Carpenter not remarrying because of the pension money she was receiving from Nelson's death.

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I think what you may have is a mother who had a number of children out of wedlock and named her deceased spouse as their father. The only way you may solve this puzzle is with DNA.

Here is Amanda in 1870 with two additional children but no spouse. Neither of these children could have belonged to Nelson.

Amanda Carpenter

United States Census, 1870

Name	Amanda Carpenter
Event Type	Census
Event Year	1870
Event Place	Alabama, United States
Gender	Female
Age	30
Race	White
Race	W
Birth Year (Estimated)	1839-1840
Birthplace	Alabama
Page Number	271

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Amanda Carpenter		F	30	Alabama
John Carpenter		M	5	Alabama
James Carpenter		M	3	Alabama
Sarah Brumbelow		F	15	Alabama

Citing this Record

"United States Census, 1870," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHKH-W7Z : 12 April 2016), Amanda Carpenter, Alabama, United States; citing p. 271, family 2263, NARA microfilm publication M593 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 545,501.

View the original document. The original may contain more information than was indexed.

United States Census, 1870

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With Dausie and another son, Joseph in 1900, but still no spouse.

Joseph Carpenter

United States Census, 1900

Name	Joseph Carpenter
Event Type	Census
Event Year	1900
Event Place	Precinct 9 Louisville (west part) Louisville town, Barbour, Alabama, United States
Gender	Male
Age	20
Marital Status	Single
Race	White
Race	W
Relationship to Head of Household	Head
Relationship to Head of Household	Head
Birth Date	Feb 1880
Birthplace	Alabama
Father's Birthplace	North Carolina
Mother's Birthplace	North Carolina

Household	Role	Sex	Age	Birthplace
Joseph Carpenter	Head	M	20	Alabama
Mandy Carpenter	Mother	F	58	North Carolina
Dawsey Carpenter	Brother	M	16	Alabama

Citing this Record

"United States Census, 1900," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9ZG-PCY : accessed 22 December 2018), Joseph Carpenter, Precinct 9 Louisville (west part) Louisville town, Barbour, Alabama, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 16, sheet 13B, family 240, NARA microfilm publication T623 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1972.); FHL microfilm 1,240,002.

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Joseph's death record also lists Nelson as his father.

Joseph W. Carpenter

Alabama Deaths

Name	Joseph W. Carpenter
Event Date	14 Aug 1959
Event Place	Louisville, Barbour, Alabama
Gender	Male
Age (Original)	79y
Birth Year (Estimated)	1880
Father's Name	Nelson Carpenter
Mother's Name	Amanda Day

Citing this Record

"Alabama Deaths, 1908-1974," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J6WR-Y38 : 15 February 2018), Joseph W. Carpenter, 14 Aug 1959; citing reference 18446, Department of Health, Montgomery; FHL microfilm 1,908,943.

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I suppose it's an unresolvable end. I appreciate all your help. I think it's right for me to correct the trees that list children after Nelson's death as his children. Thanks again for being another set of eyes!

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Deb, you have eagle eyes, well spotted!