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WikiTree profile: Pip Sheppard
closed with the note: Weekend Chat for January 4 - 6, 2019 is Closed
asked in The Tree House by Pip Sheppard G2G6 Pilot (904k points)
closed by David Selman

Greetings, my fellow WikiChatterers, from a (once again) rainy Cathey’s Creek. The ground is saturated and the rain is keeping me from cutting up the trees that fell on our property.

This is our first Weekend Chat of the New Year. It’s 2019!!! Can you believe it? I remember when I thought 2000 would never come and I’d be so old!

On the genealogy front: I’ve added quite a bit of my wife’s lines and made another connection to our Shared Tree for one of them. That also means I’ve got new brickwalls (and broke through a couple of older ones in research). Increasingly, my database is becoming obsolete by better sourcing and more connections. I’ve decided not to update my database and instead make WikiTree the repository of all improvements.

Also, I found a Revolutionary War pension application that proved a death date. The wife applied also and that was the one that proved the next generation. If you have (or may have) Patriot ancestors, including those collaterally, that fought or assisted in the Southern Campaign during the War, then Will Graves’ site for transcriptions is a great place to find these applications and also make connections to others in the family. Many of them have pics of signatures. Sometimes, children are listed in the applications. It’s been a goldmine for me as I have about 13 Patriots in my direct line and some more collaterally, and my wife has eight direct. I used one to break down a brickwall and another to prove the first name of an ancestor. (For my British cousins, I have two Loyalists in the direct line, too!)

I’m looking forward to hearing from all of you from around the world. The Chat is the best place to get to know each other more personally. We help to create such a caring community by sharing our lives with each other. What does Herbert the Origami Master have for us today? What special day will Dorothy be sharing with us? I hope you all join in and post here… something… anything! It is always such a pleasure to see what’s going on in your lives and how your research is coming along.

Thanks for hosting, Pip.

Hi Pip, thank you for hosting the chat!

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Hi Pip, hope all is well with you, and the New Year is treating you good. About 40 degrees F here in Central Pennsylvania with a little sun, so I think I will go for a walk through the neighborhood cemetery this afternoon. I am trying to decipher a few of those old limestone/cement tombstones that have been weathered for many years. You have a good day and try to keep all 4 wheels underneath you.
answered by Rodney Long G2G6 Pilot (185k points)
Hi Rodney! Welcome to the Chat. RE: your cemetery visit: I was reading an introduction to a well-researched genealogy, the author of which exclaimed that in five published cemetery transcriptions she found no less that five different dates. What frustrations!

I guess our ancestors (or their survivors) weren't thinking of making lasting gravestones when they used limestone, cement and other materials.
It's snowing again in Edmonton, Alberta, after melting all day yesterday. All the ice is hiding under the snow blanket. I don't like sping in winter!

On the genealogy front, I am happy Rootsweb has restored my homepage but I'm done with them. Slowly adding my tree to Wikitree and looking for connections as I go. Because of this, I've been reviewing a lot of old data and have been able to update some sources and confirm some assumptions.

One tip for everyone: if you find a source online make a copy of it because you never know when a site will be shut down or taken over by a company that charges for access.

An excellent site that used to have a subscription fee that is now free is Canadiana.org. I have found land records, wills, court documents and more on this site. It is well worth checking out. Their seach engine works well but I have done an index to documents I found particularly useful.


Happy New Year
Howdy, Gaelynn! Welcome WikiTree and the Weekend Chat!

I remember Rootsweb was the big thing in the late 90s and early 2000s. When they finally brought back the mail lists last year, I thought, “Great.” Signed up for a couple of counties, got a few messages, and then NOTHING! Looks like the old mail list idea has died. Easier with WikiTree and tags to capture someone’s interest.
I hope you have great luck with those tombstones Rodney!
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Today is.....



Pick your sauce!  National Spaghetti Day on January 4 recognizes that long, thin cylindrical pasta of Italian and Sicilian origin.  Usually made from semolina flour, this pasta has been a worldwide favorite for ages and loved by millions.

There are a variety of different pasta dishes that are based on spaghetti from spaghetti ala Carbonara or garlic and oil to spaghetti with tomato sauce, meat sauce, bolognese, Alfredo sauce, clam sauce or other sauces.  Spaghetti dishes are traditionally served topped with grated hard cheeses such as Pecorino Romano, Parmesan and Grana Padano.

The word spaghetti is plural for the Italian word spaghetto, which is a diminutive of spago, meaning “thin  string” or “twine.”

American restaurants offered Spaghetti around the end of the 19th century as Spaghetti Italienne (which is believed to have consisted of noodles cooked past al dente and a mild tomato sauce flavored with easily found spices and vegetables such as cloves, bay leaves and garlic). Decades later, oregano and basil were added to many recipes.

There is significant debate on the origin of spaghetti. However, we do know that pasta has been consumed for many, many years.  There are records in the Jerusalem Talmud of itrium, a kind of boiled dough, commonly available in Palestine from the 3rd to 5th centuries AD.  A 9th-century Arab dictionary describes itriyyaas as string-like shapes made of semolina and dried before cooking. In an 1154 writing for the Norman King of Sicily, itriyya is mentioned being manufactured and exported from Norman Sicily.  Dried pasta became popular in the 14th and 15th centuries due to its easy storage.  People were able to store the dried pasta in ships when exploring the New World.  A century later, pasta was present around the globe during the voyages of discovery. (Wikipedia)

In March of 2009, the world record for the largest bowl of spaghetti was set and then reset in March of 2010 when a Garden Grove California Buca di Beppo restaurant successfully filled a swimming pool with more than 13,780 pounds of pasta.

Sung to the tune of “On Top of Old Smoky,” the fun children’s song, “On Top of Spaghetti” was written and originally sung by folk singer Tom Glazer with the Do-Re-Mi Children’s Chorus in 1963.

“On top of spaghetti,
All covered with cheese,
I lost my poor meatball,
When somebody sneezed.

It rolled off the table,
And on to the floor,
And then my poor meatball,
Rolled out of the door.”

answered by Dorothy Barry G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
Demolition Man  and there won't be any swearing either...  Are either possible?

I also made these Betty...


I don't eat those. Chris can have my share.
The Double Down was a work of genius.  Bacon and  cheese between two fried chicken breasts with mystery sauce.  Hey lawdy mama!  Low carbs, as the only bread was the coating on the chicken.  'Murica!
Iol. I never had one. I try not to eat fast food much.
I order off of the kids menu when I eat out. American restaurants tend to go for quantity over quality. More's the pity.

Betty said, "American restaurants tend to go for quantity over quality." How true that is!

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Its been a busy week genealogically. I finally finished working through Genetic Genealogy in Practice and have installed the software needed for the class in a bit over a week. Still a ton more prerequisite reading but not so much that I won't finish it. With luck, one or two more DNA kits will come in before class starts. I have enough for this class, but more is always better. I'll have more by the time of the class in the Summer. My wife has cleaned up her family research in order to know what she needs to learn in her New York research class.

Also did a bit of work getting sources on a few more ancestors and collateral lines plus some time trying to connect some of my unconnecteds to the tree. Two of those unconnected WWI soldiers families look like they are going to land in Loyalist lines. 

Pip, I just love those Rev War and 1812 pension applications. They may be the only source of information on some families. 

Rodney, the temp here is currently 50F(10C) and will get a bit warmer. A big change from New Years Day with a high of 12F(-11C).

answered by Doug McCallum G2G6 Pilot (244k points)
Thanks for joining the Chat, Doug! We haven’t hit 12F here... yet, but it’s coming. A reasonably pleasant 50F right now.

I still haven’t applied for UEL yet. Seems I’m stuck with so many other things. I’ll get to it eventually.

Hope your class goes well!
Sounds like the classes are keeping you busy. Your wife's New York research class sounds interesting. Sometimes those pension applications are all you can find in New York.
Doug, are you attending SLIG? If so, I hope to see you there!
Yes, I am. Which class are you in? We should definitely meet while there.
+12 votes

Cue the Avengers theme!

I am on FIRE this week! (Probably should have used the Fantastic Four theme. But, who wants to be reminded of Fant4stink*) 

On the genealogy front I have solved not one but TWO mysteries! The first one started when I got a notification of a new, very close DNA match on Ancestry. This happened on New Year's Day. This lady was in a first cousin bracket for my mom and a second cousin bracket for me. High cM count. Very awesome.

My mom and I got to wondering who this lady was. I wasn't sure. My mom had her suspicions. To make a long story short, I used census records and Facebook to confirm her identity. And her tree. She's the daughter of one of my mom's older cousins on her dad's side. The cousin was born about ten years before her so she was in the 1940 census.

She also said to look up a couple names on Facebook as her aunt married a guy with the last name of Lutes. There was a Lutes invited to my parents' wedding. I looked up the guy on Facebook. He's friends with my uncles. AND my DNA match was on there too. I checked around and lo and behold, ya she's the daughter of my mom's cousin. 

I did pm her to confirm. I'm not dense. 

That brings us today where I have confirmed yet another relationship. I checked out a match's tree and saw that she had an ancestor from S. Maida, Italy. Last name? Ferriola. I winced. But, I looked at his profile anyway. Attached is a death certificate from PA and on that document were my 3x great-grandparents, Vincenzo Ferraiolo (spelled correctly) and Caterina Campisano (Spelled all kinds of wrong.)

I had just debated whether or not to message the commune office before finding the death certificate. Now I don't have to. Now I just need to tell this new cousin how to spell the last name. Not the first time it was misspelled. Not gonna be the last!

How are all of you?! Off to do some DNA confirmations. 

*=Fant4stink is a censored version of the nickname for Fant4stic. The rebooted Fantastic Four movie from a few years ago which made the fandom weep and call out to Marvel Studios to buy the movie rights back from Fox. Which they are in the process of doing. So we may see new Fantastic Four and X-Men movies in the MCU within the next five years or possibly more.

answered by Chris Ferraiolo G2G6 Pilot (186k points)
@ Pip, you can make up for the haggis with some grits. I tried that once. It was okay.

@ Nicole: I am curious, too. But, who knows. It may be a deep cut.
Chris - about the DNA and spit in this, perhaps the worse that can happen is that when you ask for them to spit in this they may spit in your face and voila - you got what you wanted.
HAHAHA! Oh, wow. Yeah....That would work. To a point.
Look at all this DNA confirmation:


Hmmm - did your DNA show a small percentage of Metis?
Nope. Just Southern Italian and Caucauses and French. My dad's the same way. 90% Italy south and a split between Arabic and Caucauses.
thanks, just curious.
No problem. =D

That's an impressive amount of names on your DNA confirmation aid page!

Thanks, Mindy! I just need a few more. The list of suspects is getting smaller as I use the Leeds method to sort out who belonged to which family group. In this latest case I used my great-aunt and noticed a TON on the Ferraiolo family group. Made the mind wonder.

Here's hoping I get a few more. Was tempted to go to my mom's cousins and say "Hey! Spit in this tube, please!" That wouldn't have gone over well.
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Greetings, Treefolk!

Pip, thanks for hosting, and kudos on your excellent work!

Sunny cold days here in New Mexico.  The second wave of last weekend's storm dropped another 20 - 30 cm of snow Monday.  I didn't bother shoveling it, because it was so dry (about 95% air) it practically floated off the shovel when I tried to pick it up.

G2G served up a terrific rabbit hole this week, in the form of a family with significant name confusion.  I think I got most of it sorted out, but now there is a duplicate for whom we need to find the correct LNAB.

I'd like to thank everyone for your kind comments on my Member of the Week piece, not to mention the fascinating connections found.  What a cool family this is!

Now beware, here be dragons!

Dragon v1 and v2, Jo Nakashima



answered by Herbert Tardy G2G6 Pilot (320k points)
I didn't realize we had to guess what kind of Dragons - The dragons in  Game of Thrones ?  Here is my husband's guess... green dragon, red dragon.  Just thought I would add his as well, just in case.

laugh  Well played, Bill!

Nicole, of course you don't have to!  I just thought everyone would see it right away.  cool  The crouching one is not red.  But I admit it is more red than is strictly accurate.

Much closer to home, Chris!

Does this help at all?

I also didn't know we had to guess, so Charmander? Old Smaug? Puff?
More of a dragon family, than specifically named beasts.
Ok, been hitting my head on that brick wall behind them so last guess, crouching dragon, hidden tiger? Just kidding, I give up.

OK, never mind.    sad

Well, they aren't wvyerns. They're Drakes.
Sort of arboreal dragons, with mediocre camo.
+11 votes
Hello Pip - always a pleasure!!

I am sitting here dealing with mixed emotions. After years of being on MyHeritage I finally decided not to renew. A few minutes ago I clicked on the <DELETE> button and everything is gone. My time on that site is now just a memory.

However, I did download a GEDCOM first and gave the Legacy software a trial run. So far I'm impressed even though the tree navigation leaves something to be desired. The feature that really tickled my fancy is the way in which it interacts with FamilySearch. I can now add profiles to that site with the click of a button and find matches with ease so I expect I will be quite busy over the next couple of months.

It's hard to leave the familiar home behind and move on to new experiences. Right now it's regret mixed with excitement tempered by the knowledge that I can always go back.
answered by Anonymous McCormick G2G6 Mach 5 (53.8k points)
Hi, Bill! I’m using FTM (2014) and I don’t believe it was an improvement on the older version. I had to switch over as the older one kept locking up on me. Also, I never had an online tree until WikiTree, and I am only familiar with Ancestry through my brother’s account. FTM is tied to Ancestry. I think I’m kinda glad I didn’t work on another site. WikiTree is it for me.

Hope the transition is not so wrenching for you. I’m not one to like change so much. Still, I had to deal with some very bad habits when I joined WT. I’m finally comfortable when the switch to good sourcing and such.
+12 votes

All I can think about after Dorothy's post. Guess who will be making pasta for dinner?


answered by Deb Durham G2G6 Pilot (634k points)
How true Thomas!
Isn't Pip cute??  minus the long hair of course.
Sigh...Yeah, Mindy. I know. =D But, hey you're only as old as you feel!

@Thomas. Ahh! Someone in my gen. Man, we saw some weird stuff. Am I right? #MTVGENers4life.

Charlotte was born in the '80s, too. Haven't seen her around here.
@Thomas: I started in my teens, and all through my years I rarely found a cousin who cared to jump in the deep end. But, like you, I do it for those to come.

Wanna see what a problem my hair has always been. See my profile! laugh

Just to jump in here, in the 70's I had long hair, in fact a couple of times when viewed from the back some mistook me for a woman. Then I got a job as a machinist and cut it short. By the time I retired I had very little left on top. As for genealogy, I started in the early 80's when I got my first computer, I was about 30 at the time, and it started as helping my children with school projects.
Ahhhh, heisjustalittlecutie,  ahhh googoo
And I still look just like that. Same size, everything. Still learning how to walk.
@Dale: a job in the cotton mill was what got me to cut mine. Too many moving parts.
I remember walking behind a person who had really beautiful, down to the waist long, shiny, dark colored hair and his face was just as beautifully groomed and just as long.  I must admit I was a bit envious of how beautiful his hair was.
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Hello, Pip and all.  Greetings from Everett, Washington.

I'm jumping on early this week because I will be gone all day tomorrow.  It's the annual all-day retreat for the Mukilteo Historical Society.  As secretary, I have a lot of papers to go through, purge or save, punch through, put in binders and bring prepared to the retreat.  Also I have to print out the minutes from last year's retreat. Also I must mention that I need a new printer cartridge and will buy it at Office Depot on my way back from the Everett Mall after dropping my daughter off at work at the theater. I will also buy a new binder for the 2019 archives and a journal/notebook in which I keep minutes for the various societies of which I am secretary.

Weather has been rainy, windy, nasty. Not so windy as on previous weekends, but penetrating dampness that makes me want to stay at home with a coat on.

I am gradually revisiting profiles that I created when I first hopped onto Wikitree.  I am enthusiastic about contributing to the 52 Ancestors in 52 Weeks this year. In revisiting my first brickwall breakthrough [[Smith-145856]] I found I could write a better explanation of what the sources tell us.  Also, I did the research in pre-Internet days, so more may be available now.

My resolution for this year is to purge the house of unwanted stuff.  Somewhere in this house, for example, is the little leather bound diary my great-grandfather Robert Robe kept when he was crossing the Oregon Trail in 1851.  It's been moved from place to place and, just when putting it into a safety deposit box became an idea, it (and the photocopies I made of it) have been buried in a pile of papers, I guess, or else thrown into a box in my husband's bedroom, or, or??

When my husband is home and has some time (!) I will work on scanning out of a big box of photos.  So much to do!

Time for my morning snack.  Stay warm wherever you are.
answered by Margaret Summitt G2G6 Mach 2 (23.3k points)
My goodness, Margaret, you are a busy bee! Better you than me, and I mean that literally. I am the most disorganized person. Your historical society would shoot me if I was the secretary for a day!

I want to tell you how much I admire you dedication to your historical society. I really should do something with the local here.
Sounds like you have been busy. The diary is fascinating, what a treasure. Not to add to your to do list, but add some things from this diary to his profile for one of the 52 Ancestors, maybe for travel or going to the church.

Hi Margaret. Oh goodness, was I supposed to have resolutions? (wink) Are you participating in the WikiTree Scan-a-Thon or just getting things in order? I hope you find the diary soon

+12 votes

Spaghetti is sounding very tasty right now....I think I'm having Italian food today.

My cats have been working on their ancestry this week:

answered by Doug Lockwood G2G Astronaut (2.4m points)
Hi Doug! Wouldn’t be the Chat without a photo from you! Your cats are in deep if they are using Richardson.
I dunno. Shouldn't they be reading about Egyptian mythology? WORSHIP THEM AS THE DEITIES THEY ARE!

Sorry. My cat hijacked the keyboard.
They taught me well.
Maybe they should hold classes for WikiTreers.
@Chris -- too funny!
I love your cats, they are so cute and smart.  Well I love all "other peoples pets", then I am not responsible for doing the dirty work or buying the expensive stuff.
+11 votes
Thanks for hosting Pip, and welcome to the weekend everyone. It is dreary and rainy here.

I started the year by making some plans and reservations for RV travel this year, mostly to gatherings with others who own the same brand as us. Of course my husband wasn't too happy to hear that I had planned to spend a few days in the Finger Lakes so that I could visit the genealogy and history library at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York to find the 1800 church record for my ggg grandmother's marriage. But hey, she is my Rood and Standish connection.

Genealogy wise I am still working on some Rood/Rude and Standish profiles, although I have set this aside to begin reading Evidence Explained. I've been through most of the first two chapters, and need to reread them, with the goal of cleaning up citations for the Silver Books and newspaper articles. Its great to always learn, and was interesting to see that EE is based on the Chicago Manual of Style and that Turabian is a subset/derivative. Turabian sits on my bookshelf next to Elements of Cartography.

It wouldn't be genealogy without finding some rabbit hole to crawl down. Over the holidays I got in touch with a first cousin on my father's side. He mentioned that his granddaughter was starting to do some research and had done a DNA test. I found her match with me on 23andMe, and discovered that she is looking for information about her maternal grandmother who was adopted. So once I get more data about names, dates, and locations I can help her more.

So where is the rabbit hole? Well, here's a match with a 3rd cousin on my paternal side. On my maternal side, I also have a 1st cousin and 2nd cousin who have done DNA tests. For the 2nd cousin, we share a grandfather but not grandmother. And now it gets interesting. Just looking at the DNA matches between the 1st, 2nd, 3rd cousins there are shared matches, and I've found shared matches on both my paternal/maternal sides.
answered by Kay Sands G2G6 Pilot (189k points)
Hi Kay! Great to hear from you!

You know, every trip I want to take has something to do with genealogy. Guess who nixes that a boring. Yep, you go it! The spouse.

Hi Kay, good to see you here smiley Travel sounds fun, and I hope you find your ggg grandmother's marriage! Fortunately my hubby is pretty patient with my genealogy, and has even been on a trip or two.

+12 votes
Happy Weekend!

I'm pretty sure that tomorrow I will be taking down my outdoor Christmas lights. It's a touch early - but the weather in southeast Michigan is great today and tomorrow - mid-40's and sunny - and I want to get the lights off the roof when there's no snow or ice up there. If I wait until after Epiphany it's supposed to be colder and wetter.

Indoors, I think we'll keep decorations out until the wisemen have come and gone home by a different way.
answered by Thomas Fuller G2G6 Mach 2 (29.9k points)
Ha! Thomas, you plan your chores around the church calendar? You’ve given me an idea for Lent: fasting from chores! (Don’t think my wife will go along with that!)

Yes, I do as far as seasonal decor goes. angel

You're going to have try harder to sell that Lenten fast. Perhaps tell your wife that you're trying to grow in detachment from the approval of others - and if you did your chores you'd just be trying to get her approval. devil

Oh, Thomas, I’m going to remember this!
Hmm... and tomorrow we're going to have a little mini-celebration (i.e. dessert and look at some photos) for the baptismal anniversary of my sons.

So, yes - the calendar of our own little domestic church as well as that of the Universal Church do tend to set the agenda.
@Thomas: I’ve learned to regulate my life that way. Didn’t grow up in a tradition that held those things important.
I didn't either. There's a learning curve, lol.
Thomas, I loved your "detachment" comment:  a loud guffaw escaped me when I read it.  Pip, if you try this and you get the "look" from your wife, . THEN you can blame Thomas
I can hear it now, "Some guy on WikiTree gave me the idea..."

I think you'll get "the look" another time with that excuse, Pip.
Sure beats "Some guy on tumblr told me".

@Thomas & Nicole: I’ll let y’all know if it works. And if it does, Thomas you get all the credit. If it goes south, Thomas you get all the blame! laughlaugh

I get “the look” a lot more since I started working on WikiTree.

I'll be taking down the christmastree today. Traditionally I did it at Epiphany (had to use google translate to be sure it was the right word, We just litterally call it "three kings") A lot of the people in the neighborhood have removed their tree immediately after New Year. I do understand because everyone uses one of their last days off work to do it.Just like me. The last few years the old trees were gathered by the organic waste garbage collection just after Epiphany. This year it will be on the 10th of january.

I have an artificial tree so the only difficulty will be getting the box with the tree back in the attick. I'll probably wait till my son is back from his work to help me getting it up the stairs.
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Happy Weekend, First the weather, except for next Thursday thru Saturday they expect the temps to be way above normal for my area. It is sunny right now with no trace of that bad word that begins with S and ends with W.

Now some updates on the family health. The two people suffering from cancer are both responding to treatment, in fact my cousin got her driving license back and bought a new car. My son is back to work after his surgery and the youngest family member is out of the hospital and out of danger. My aunt also got released from the hospital as well.  As always it is three steps forward and two steps back so I regret to tell you that another elder family member fell and broke her hip and my father is not doing well at this time. I have really not done too much on WikiTree, but I have already made over 100 contributions this month, but I have been organizing my desk and can now have 2 computers running at the same time very close to each other as well as my stored source documents. The only negative there is that I will be spending a little less time here and a little more time working on my tree that is offline. I had to get Diane a new phone because we could not get the old one to answer calls most of the time on it.

Last but not least I tried to do things on the chat from my phone but it did not want to work with Wikitree so I gave up and turned on the laptop.
answered by Dale Byers G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
Dale, I’m so glad you’ve posted. I always look forward to what’s happening in Byersland. My phone is bad for WikiTreeing, too. iPad, laptop, desktop for me.

You beat me on the contributions last month. Couldn’t break 2000. I’m at about 320 right now. I need to make a list of the things I need to do so my work will be more effective for WikiTree.

Still offering prayers for you and yours!
Pip, I never had much luck with a tablet, and I had 2 of them, or a phone on WikiTree. My phone is not small or old either, I have a Samsung Galaxy 9 and Diane has the Note 9, bigger than mine and has a stylus built in, but they just do not play well with WikiTree.
+11 votes

Hello all, and thank you Pip for hosting! Congratulations on your break throughs smiley and of course WikiTree is the best place to keep that information (*wink).

I was doing some 'housekeeping' with my lines this week and discovered one of my profiles (oh my! how does that 'to-do' list keep growing?) had minimal sources and biography. So, to start a serendipitous chain of events I dug in and started working on my 3rd great-grandmother Lucretia "Crisha" Hennager. She was one of my 'favorites' to find in the early years and I still shake my head in amazement re-reading what all she saw in a lifetime. At any rate, a cousin joined WT on 30 Nov and I (follow-up) greeted him, not realizing he had a similar line. He messaged me last night and it turns out he descends from a new (to WikiTree and me) line. And he is the third+ cousin that I have been looking for to do a specific triangulation!  And then to make it even better, I went to look for her obit today so I didn't have to scan mine and found an article that mentions her as one of our 'foremothers.' I'm just in seventh heaven, and so grateful (as always) that I have found WikiTree to share my findings with cousins, and to help them find me.

answered by Mindy Silva G2G6 Pilot (194k points)
How so very excellent, Mindy!! Isn’t it wonderful when research comes together like that?

Reminder to Pip: go back and check those older profiles.

And thank you for the source, I've bookmarked it!  I also wanted to add my Happy New Years wish to all:

Happy New Years

Feliiz Ano Novo, Mindy! Que tenhas um ano excelente :)

Sorry all, but when the Portugal project greets, the answer has to be in Portuguese ;)

Hi Jelena, good to see you in chat smiley  I suppose I could have customized it with my own name also so it just came from me. I do hope your year is a great one!

+11 votes

Hello again Pip and fellow Wikitree peeps,

The photo is of several peaks in the Cascade Range. At center is Three Fingers and to the far left is Whitehorse. We are looking across Port Susan Bay from the east shore of Camano Island Washington.

As I was working on my wife's profile this week it struck me on how many genealogy colleagues I have developed outside of the US. All of them are helping me on her Croatia roots. They include people from the UK, Germany, New Zealand and of course, Croatia. I just can't get over how far this wonderful hobby has taken me.

answered by Bart Triesch G2G6 Pilot (207k points)

Bart, did you take that photo? It’s is a beautiful scene! Are those forested areas on the lower slopes? Just beautiful!

Love the photo Bart.  It is very beautiful.
My brother took it a few years ago using a telephoto lens. The forested slopes are further away than they look but their elevation is still fairly low compared to the peaks in the background.
What a beautiful picture Bart. That's great that you are finding so many people to collaborate with. I know that I am thankful for the cousins I have found through WikiTree!
A gorgeous picture! I miss seeing to the North, Mt Baker, to the East, the Cascades, to the West, the Olympics, and to the South Mt Rainier! Here in the Ohio Valley, surrounded by tree covered hills I forget which way is which!
Colleen, my wife and I lived in Texas for 3 years before we had GPS on our phones and in our cars. Every once in a while we would pull over and say, "Where are we and which direction are we going??"
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2018 Ancestors Challenge - Winners

I would like to announce the winners of the 52 Ancestors for 2018 challenge!! Badges will be awarded within the next day or two.

There were 7 ladies who managed to complete all 52 weeks.

Congratulations to the following ladies for being persistant in keeping up with all your profiles for a whole year.

The winners are as follows -

Cheryl Hess

Jill Perry

Libby Park

Laura Bozzay

Alison Gardner

Kay Sands

Carolyn Martin

answered by Robynne Lozier G2G6 Pilot (480k points)
Badges have now been awarded. Congratulations, Ladies!!
Next time, Robynne...NEXT TIME! I was close!!!!!
Chris, the new challenge already started :)
Congratulations to all for this accomplishment!

Robynne, you do an excellent job with this. You are to be congratulated, too!
I know. I commented. One week down. 51 to go.
great work ladies!
Well done - that is a lot of dedication.  Congratulations !!

Congratulations to you all!! That is some true dedication!

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Hi Pip, thank you for hosting and hello to all.  Happy 2019 !

The weather has warmed up again and we are going through our 4th melt of the season.  This is REALLY unusual, but at least we don't need to shovel the white stuff.

So Chris F mentioned the Lutes name in his post.  My husband has Lutes on his paternal side.  I have not even thought of doing his genealogy yet because the French Canadian side has received all my attention.  Maybe it is time to change veins a bit.  I am certainly going to give it a cursory look and see where it brings me.
answered by Nicole Duchesne G2G6 Pilot (234k points)
Howdy, Nicole! Welcome to the Chat!

We’ve gotten on,y one snow so far. If the old wives’ tale holds (if it takes more than three days to melt...) we’ll be having more. Hope it’s just pretty and doesn’t trap us again!

My mother-in-law has Lutes (from Kentucky). What a small world.  You'll have to let us know if you find anything Nicole smiley

+10 votes
Hi all!

Actually I was surprised that there was already the Weekend Chat thread. Seems I have lost some of my time orientation when I tried to avoid going out this week because of my cough. I don't need to be the virus ship for other people in town. The cough is better now, I occasionally still cough quite hard when it overcomes me, but it's not anymore as bad as it was last week.

Other than that it was a quiet week. I sent my dad's cousin a mail asking him for labels of the pictures I got of him of his grandparent's/my ggparents' family. I hope they come back in time for the scan-a-thon, so I can label the pictures just when I upload them. Fortunately the pictures of my mum's family are labeled, so there I only have to create profiles. The only problem is that I hardly have documents of my Serbian side to source them as needed here.
answered by Jelena Eckstädt G2G6 Mach 9 (91k points)
Hi, Jelena! Sorry to hear that you’ve still got that cough, but glad to hear it’s not as bad as before.

I don’t know anything at all about Serbian sources. Are they mostly parish records? Land records. Wills?
I'd be happy if there were some official records at all online. The most data are available about the WW2 and the people who died in the "People's Liberation Fight" how it was called in Communist Yugoslavia. And as foreigner you are not allowed to enter the Serbian Archives. Seems like I really have to become a member of the Serbian Genealogy Society, then I could ask someone to look into the archives for me.
Ah, how sad. And time consuming having to wait for an answer. Hope you can hook up with someone for your Serbian research and that it doesn't take too long. Wonder why the restriction.
Glad to see you here Jelena. I hope that cough improves! What type of labels are you waiting for? We had a house fire when I was younger. Unfortunately, none of our family pictures survived. I treasure the ones I receive from cousins.
Mindy, I need labeling in terms of naming. That cousin is a bit weird, he is the outsider in that branch of the family. He labelled the pictures with his own system. So I have to wait that he deciphers his own system and delivers the names of the people on the pictures.

That makes sense. smiley

+10 votes
Good morning from a very warm Top of the South Island, New Zealand. New Year’s Day was the first day to hit 30 deg C this summer after a wet December. Many NZ businesses, govt. departments etc. close down for two weeks over the holiday period and families take their summer holidays. I live close to the Abel Tasman National Park and the stunning Kaiteriteri Beach. Like many locals, I avoid town at this time of the year as parking is at a premium with boats and caravans. By Monday, it will have quietened down a little, but we won’t be back to “normal, quiet country town” till Easter.

I really posted today to share two stories with you. When I stopped working full time, we decided to relocate to Motueka because of the weather and proximity to good services. I think my husband has now also discovered my  other motive. My ancestors were amongst the earliest European settlers, but those stories had been lost since my grandfather’s early death in 1960. (Oh, I wish I had known him!) I’ve spent the last few years finding out about his family.

The other day I received an email from Illinois. A woman had found her step father’s profile. He had been born here in 1912, and she was able to tell me that he had died in Illinois in 1996. On the same family line, I had an email from a woman on a sideways branch I had created about the same time - it was her grandfather’s profile which she had discovered here. I’m going to attach her to the profiles on that branch. She was able to share a photo of a garden bench made from Motueka River willow branches made about 1900 which she still owns.

It’s so rewarding when someone appreciates the research I’ve done, even when it’s not immediate family.
answered by Fiona Gilliver G2G6 Mach 7 (71.7k points)
Actually Dunedin (bottom of South island) is also headed for 30+ degrees today as well - as my mother told me in our chat less than 2 hours ago!!
We’re getting Australia’s weather at present, Robynne. As you know, 30 is hot for Dunedin!
Hey, Fiona. It's been 20 years since we visited Motueka. We hiked in Abel Tasman and fell in love with the area and want to get back some day.
Wait Robynne, you're actually from Dunedin? The part of my extended family who headed for NZ in the 1860s built their life in Dunedin.

Hi, Fiona! Glad to see you here!

Your description of the fine weather down under makes me think we need a winter (for us) getaway. Sure would be a long flight, though! laugh My wife is yearning for warmer weather, but it won’t be here ‘til April.


My parents are from Dunedin, my mother still lives there, I went to high school, in Dunedin but I was not born there - and I left as soon as I could. smiley

I was actually born in the Waikato and after I left high school (OGHS), I moved to Auckland where I lived for 12 or so years before I got married and immigrated to Canada.

Just watched the TV1 news, Robynne. 31 degrees in Dunedin!!

Thanks Fiona!!  laugh

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Hello from Nijmegen, The Netherlands,

It has been a gray and rainy day overhere and I haven't left the house. Last real day off of our Chrismasholidays. Monday normal life starts again.

I have been reading a lot about genealogical terminology in dutch this week and what strikes me is the difference in the names for our ancestors. It seems that in English you go from parents, to grandparents to greatgrandparents and every generation further up the family tree you add a "great". 

Are these just the main stream terms and have genealogists more terms as we have in dutch?

In dutch you go from " ouders", to "grootouders", to "overgrootouders", to "betovergrootouders". Most people start adding more "bet"s with every generation further up the tree. Butt the dutch genealogists know what the proper terms are.:

Oudouders, Oudgrootouders, Oudovergrootouders, Oudbetovergrootouders,

And it goes even further. If you use "stam-" and after that "edel-" before the 4 starting terms you can go up the tree quite  a number of generations more (I hope I didn't mix up the order of edel- and stam-)

answered by Eef van Hout G2G6 Mach 3 (32.1k points)

Hello, Eef! Welcome to the Chat!!

I have a hard enough time keeping track when term to use with which person. Don’t confuse me with the Dutch terms! laugh Now, I just use the abbreviations: “g-g-g-grandmother.”

After all here years, I just know my ancestors by their names. It’s only when a cousin asks a question that I have to start racking my brain for the term.

Thanks for the terms, Eef. Those were some I was confused with.

Pip, the Dutch terms aren't so bad. I can almost keep them straight. I end up juggling English, French and Dutch terms regularly. I kind of enjoy working on the non-English lines although I've put off the French a bit more than I should.

Sometimes I'm a bit jealous of people with trees going international. So much more adventurous than my (almost) totally dutch family tree. But on the other hand it makes looking for historical sources way more easy. I'm already dreading the moment I have to go looking for german sources just across the border (12 km to the east from where I live). It will be a whole new genealogical world to navigate. At the moment there is enough historical detective work left to do in the Netherlands so I leave the german profiles in Aldfaer (=dutch genealogical programm)
Eef, when I keep my focus to my ancestors, I mainly have German family. There is one of my ggg granduncles who emigrated to the Netherlands and just before the new year a 6C2R from the USA contacted me to get access to the profiles of her gggrandparents. But apart from that, there's not much internationality.

About the generational terms in Serbia, I learned 2 years ago the term for gg-grandparents. But I didn't know it further until I found an online article.

Alright, let's start:

otac and majka - father and mother

deda and baba - grandfather and grandmother

pradeda and prababa - greatgrandfather and greatgrandmother

čukundeda and čukunbaba - 2xggrandfather and 2xggrandfather

Now comes the stuff I also don't know:

navrdeda and navrbaba - 3xggrandfather and 3xggrandmother

kurđel and kurđela - 4xggrandfather and 4x ggrandmother

kurlebala and kurlebalo - 5xggrandfather and 5xggrandmother

sukurdol and sukurdola - 6xggrandfather and 6xggrandmother

sudepača and sudepač - 7xggrandfather and 7xggrandmother

pardupan and pardupana - 8xggrandfather and 8xggrandmother

ožimikura and ožimikurka - 9xggrandfather and 9xggrandmother

kurajber and kurajbera - 10xggrandfather and 10xggrandmother

sajkatava and sajkatavka - 11xggrandfather and 11xggrandmother

and now we come to the last one:

beli orao and bela pčela (literally white eagle and white bee) - everything above those 11xggrandfather and 11xggrandmother
@Jelena: That is definitely a list to have to memorize. They don't seem to connect like Dutch and English!

@Eef: you said, "Sometimes I'm a bit jealous of people with trees going international." I know the feeling. All of my lines are United States since before the Revolutionary War, so I have nearly 250 years of collateral lines all in the States. Research becomes much hard when I have to "cross the Pond," so to speak.

@Pip, what do you think why I keep that article with all those names in my bookmarks? It's the only way to get it straight.
@jelena: I can  follow the terms till 3 xggrandparents and after that I see no repetitions or part of the words coming back.  Are they counting words or also a kind of animal reference like the 11th ggragndparents and further up the tree??
Eef, I love the Dutch records, at least back to early 1700s. Haven't tried going further back than that yet since the lines are for a couple of cousins and a brother-in-law.  My own lines are more problematic to get to Europe an I'm still trying to get them all back to arrival in North America.
Eef, you made me look up the terms in the Serbian dictionary. Believe it or not, they are not in the dictionary. So I googled a bit further and find another list of terms after the 4xggrandparents, which is according to the wikipedia-entry taken from the Sociological dictionary from 1989.

So according to them the terms are as followed: (They only give the male definitions though :()

askurđel - 5x

kurđup - 6x

kurlebalo - 7x

sukurdov - 8x

surdepač - 9x

omžikur - 10x

kurajber - 11x

And don't ask me about etymology, I don't have any clue.
The only system I can see is that most of them have the part"kur" somewhere in the word. Thank you for looking them up. Very interesting!!!

Eef van Hout
LOL, when I told mum those terms I started to make some dirty jokes because just with the syllable "kur..." you can do great dirty jokes in Serbian.

Mum thinks that those terms are a bit archaic because a friend of her who is also huge into her own genealogy used other terms. But mum can''t remember where the sheet of paper with the terms is.
Welcome to the chat Eef! Thank you (and Jelena) for sharing those ancestor terms, I had no idea. In America we just keep adding 'great' so you may have an 8th great-grandfather.
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Hi Pip and Chatters! Been a while since I had time to post. 

Been working on some Danish profiles for a friend and trying to learn the patronymic naming system and it has been fun! Now I am working on adding profiles on our daughter (in-laws) family and ancestors. In my spare time doing a bit of Greeting, Mentoring and other projects work like the subproject Texas Cemeteries. 

It has been raining here for the last few days with a threat of snow, today it was sunny and pleasantly warm. But you know what a few minutes and it will change!

Hope everyone has a great, safe and blessed 2019!

answered by David Selman G2G6 Pilot (548k points)
Hi David! Thanks for joining the Chat!

I'm amazed you find the time to do all those required duties and do personal genealogy, too. I squeeze mine in when I can. But slower make me more careful to do a good job.
Good to see you here David! 'In my spare time' (excuse me while I roll with laughter)... you are always so busy doing things everywhere on WikiTree. It must be hard to find time for additional projects.

The sun actually came out in Kentucky yesterday, though it was still a little chilly. I was glad to see it, we've had a lot of rain and cloud cover. No complaints though, as we haven't had to shovel out yet this year. I hope you have a blessed year as well!

Busy keeps the mind active and free of cobwebs!! The old saying Busy as a Bee!! Today it is warm with sunshine but just wait a minute. Off to change a relationship on a profile from 1/2 to a whole sibling.


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