Can you help connect a goodie maker?

Question

Continuing the series that started with "Can you help connect a Delaware Governor?", this time, we're looking at the inventors of some favourite goodies. After all, goodies bring such happiness to our lives, isn't it only fair to remember the people who invented such deliciousness?

The people on this list either invented a particular goodie, or founded companies which make goodies, or both.

If you can add sources, photos, or biographies, build out the family trees, or improve the profiles of goodie makers in any other ways, so much the better! Once you get a goodie maker connected, please post an answer here. 

• Harry Brown (Almond Roca) - connected by Jason Klehr 
• Howell H. Campbell (Goo Goo Clusters) - connected by N. Gauthier (with some help by Martha Garrett)
• Walter Diemer (Dubble Bubble) - connected by Kathy Rabenstein
• József Dobos (Dobos Cake)
• George Ensor (Pal-o-Mine) - connected with help by Kathy Rabenstein
• John Mackintosh (Mackintosh's Toffee) - connected by Frances Halliday
• Franklin Mars (Mars Bars) - connected by Kathy Rabenstein
• Robert McVitie (McVitie's)
• Henri Nestlé (Nestlé's) - connected!
• Theodor Tobler (Toblerone) - connected
• Coenraad van Houten (Dutch process chocolate) - connected by B. W. J. Molier
• Karol Wedel (E. Wedel) - connected by Martha Garrett
• Garry Weston (Wagon Wheels) - connected by Rick San Soucie
• Maurice Whittaker (Peanut Slab) - connected
• George Williamson (Oh Henry!) - connected by Laurie Myres

P.S. There are more goodie makers out there. After this thread has run its course, we can have another thread with more goodie makers, but first we need to identify at least another dozen goodie makers with WikiTree profiles.

P.P.S. If this challenge intrigues you, and you think you might like to try your hand at connecting other unconnected branches, you can find more threads like this on the Places to find unconnected profiles page.

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And speaking of Rowntree, the French inventor of Rowntrees Fruit Pastilles

https://www.rowntreesociety.org.uk/history/rowntree-a-z/claude-gaget/

the killer product that saved the company.

https://www.nestle.co.uk/aboutus/history/blog/posts/fruit-pastilles

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By the way, I removed "chocolatiers" "bakers" and "confectioners" as tags on this thread, so I could add "switzerland", "scotland", and "netherlands", since nobody has posted about making any progress on Henri Nestlé, Theodor Tobler, Robert McVitie, or Coenraad van Houten.

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Good thinking.  I just got on to say that I'm not doing anything more on this set.  I hope someone else can pickup where I left off (or in another direction) on any of the rest.

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Progress: 9/14 = 64.3%

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Maurice Whittaker is now connected, so we stand at 10/15=66.7%.

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With Theodor Tobler connected, we now stand at 11/15=73.3%.

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Oohhh! Choc Oranges drool!

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Added info I could find for Nestle but am hitting a brick wall in Switzerland for his father.  

I have added in bio name for his mother and siblings.

Perhaps someone will have more luck than I have had.

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Yay for Whittaker's! (I miss Whittaker's so much.)

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Thanks to Frances Halliday for connecting John Mackintosh. That leaves this challenge in third place in terms of percent complete, at 86.7%, and in second place in terms of people still to connect, at two.

(This challenge is so close to being complete, I can practically taste it!)

Answer 1

I believe Mr. Hershey may already be connected! lol. So, at least one is good to go.

Answer 2

Added:  Franklin Mars is connected.

I quit working on Diemer.  Trying with Frank Mars as I discovered we are related.

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Wonderful! Thank you! 

Answer 3

Harry Brown should be connected now.

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Great! Thank you!  (I love Almond Roca.)

Answer 4

George Williamson is now connected (I think; I'm new at this.)

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He is! Thank you! 

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So I went through the list of goodie makers and clicked on the "Relationship to me" link from the menu with their WikiTree ID at the top. When that didn't get me any hits (which it didn't most of the time), I tried the Connection Finder. (That didn't get me any hits most of the time, either.) 

But much to my surprise, George and I are seventh cousins twice removed. That information, plus a dollar or three, should be enough to get me an Oh Henry! bar at any store that sells them. 

Answer 5

Garry Weston should now be connected.

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Yay!  Wagon Wheels were one of my favourites growing up.  :)

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This project is just rolling along! 

Answer 6

I spent a lot of time working on the family links for

Howell H. Campbell (Goo Goo Clusters)

and BEFORE I had finished researching everything and typing it all up online, someone else went ahead and connected it up ... thus denying me the privilege of claiming all the work I had put into it.

Not appreciated ... so that does it for me helping out any more on these connections ! I don't need to do work just so someone else can claim the credit. Bah humbug :))

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I've a cousin who did that to me on a few family profiles, so I stopped working on that line to allow her free rein .. but she also stopped to allow me free rein.  We are both currently playing with our respective maternal lines! 

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Oh wow!  I had it all completed within an hour.  So sorry, take my name off and put yours on it

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I hear you :)  But working on relatives common relatives by those who are not in regular communication is a bit different then working on these public timed challenges.

I used to work for the Mars company and actually met one of them, so I really wanted to connect that one. But when I saw that someone else was already working on the Mars family, Out if respect, left it alone for them to finish with the connecting ... and moved on to another goodie-maker.

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it was completed that quickly because I created Millford's profile today!!!

I first connect the family through the BUGG line and then through the CAMPBELL line.

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Be happy that I added new profiles for this family.

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Next time you should do the work to find where the connection to the global wikitree is! That is the hard work.

These are not my relatives ... I was trying to help do the challenge. But now I will leave it to you to do all the rest of the goodie connections. Go to it!

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which profile in Campbell's family did you connect to the global wikitree anyway ???

So far all I can find is that you linked to profiles that I created since the most recent update. And none of thise will show connected until tomorrow morning.

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With regard to credit for making connections, I probably should have made it clear from the start that I'm not a WikiTree Leader, and have no authority whatsoever to assign points, credit, or anything like that. My intent with these challenges is for them to be a fun little break from whatever you're doing regularly. (Well, that, and preparing lists of different kinds of notables for the Relationship Finder Quick Links Page.) There's no time limit, there are no prizes, and if you have fun making a connection, then you win. (And WikiTree wins in any case, because the more connected profiles we have, the better the tree is for everybody.)

That said, there's no reason that you can't count any connection that you make towards the Connectors Challenge, if you're taking part in that.

But if it's going to bother people having other people working to connect the same goodie maker, maybe we should have people post here when they start working on a branch. Kathy, have you given up completely on Walter Diemer? Is he open for others to work on?

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For myself, I don't mind other people working on the same profiles. What bothered me was that I spent a lot of time and work to make a connection ... and then someone else claimed that they made the same connection ... which was false ... all they did was link to the profiles that I created today. That's NOT a connection to the global wikitree since the last update (as defined by the challenge) ...  so false advertising.

I am not looking for a prize, but if I do the work, at least let ME share a one-liner that I completed the work ... that's not too much to ask for ... instead of someone else claiming they did my work.

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Strange wanting credit.  Different strokes.  If you see I have been working on a family, pleassssssssssssssssssssssssse jump in and finish.  I did a lot of work on Diemer but would be exceedingly happy if someone else connected him.  Credit and $4 will get you a cup of coffee 

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Yes, I'm writing some bios for the Diemers but not going further in the connection.  I have about 600 bios to write.

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There is nothing strange about not wanting people to lie about saying they did stuff that they did NOT do!!!

Since you don't appreciate the work I do, I will stop doing it and let YOU do all the future work that is needed!

Answer 7

I'm working on John Mackintosh.  I have sources on his mother and father and am adding profiles for them,

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I added some more of John's family. It turns out his son Harold was elevated to the peerage, so he has entries in ThePeerage.com and Wikipedia. There are a ton of leads now, but I still haven't been able to connect him to the main tree yet.

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I think I've got a lead on connecting John Mackintosh, but it's going to need somebody who has a subscription to The Telegraph (or access to a newspaper archive) to put the final pieces into place.

• Rainey, Sarah, "Lady Astor tried to find the humour in the tragedy of her mother's Parkinson's and breast cancer." The Telegraph, 7 October 2012.

Answer 8

With help from Kathy, I managed to connect George Ensor, and on the way discovered two profiles for people who qualify as notable, but weren't marked as such, and also found a couple of merges that needed to be done, so some progress there, too.

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Nice! I was trying to get him connected and believe I had found a connection point, but wasn't confident on all of the sources.

George's Father, Benjamin Franklin Ensor: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GMYY-9YD

His brother (George's uncle), Harry C. Ensor: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MWGG-VPR

His daughter (George's cousin), Edith Iola Ensor: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MWGG-V5Z

Her husband, James Robert Read: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LD9K-FDD

His brother, Frank Tillot Read: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LD9K-XJD

His wife, Nellie Worthington Brewer: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LDMT-J8W

Her father, John H. C. Brewer: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KN14-GN1

His father Vincent Brewer: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LCCY-GPB who I believe is in Wikitree here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brewer-3134

In FamilySearch, John H. C. Brewer is linked to two different mothers named Catherine Lewis (wikitree profile: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lewis-15234 ), and the only child in WikiTree for Vincent is Harriet Brewer (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Brewer-1358 , https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KNBY-MWL ). I couldn't find a record that puts Harriet and John H. C. in the same household, so I didn't jump on building out all of these profiles.

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Great job, Jason!  Look how many good profiles you added to Wikitree!

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I'm not on FamilySearch, because now they insist that I give them my birthdate to access their data, and since too many banks use your birthdate as a security question, I'm not prepared to do that. But that said, I love it when I can find a connection path on some other family tree site. That's actually how I found the trail that I ended up using to connect George Ensor: his father-in-law is Orin Sawyer, and the name "Orin" is unusual enough that I thought he might be traceable through a web search, and lo and behold, he turned up.

Of course, family trees are often incorrect, so I had to source every step through some other source, which is how I ended up stumbling across James Murchie, who was MLA for Charlotte County, and notable in his own right as a lumber baron, and John McAdam, another lumber baron who was both an MLA (several times) and an MP. 

Answer 9

Walter Diemer is driving me crazy.  I added another 50 or so profiles yesterday to try to link him.  Found two individuals already on Wikitree--but neither is connected to the tree.  So I'm still working on him.

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When I end up connecting to another unconnected profile, it is kind of frustrating, because finding somebody who's already on WikiTree is normally a sign that I have finally connected the branch I'm working on.

But, on the other hand, I have come to regard bumping into an unconnected profile as kind of a bonus, because when I finally do connect to the main tree, I will also have connected that other unconnected profile, and any other profiles connected to it.

Answer 10

My Great Great Grandfather owned a 3 story steam driven Candy Compay

( F Walter Candy Company) the largest West of the Mississippi in the late 1800s )  He sold chocolates, ribbon candy, and more in St Louis, MO and internationally to the crown heads of Europe.  

His company was eventually bought by Mars Candy which was bought by Cadbury.  

In researching him I always wondered how he got into Candy and confections since he descended from glass and crystal makers in France.

I discovered a couple of things.  His mother's family were bakers.  His uncle had married into the Haas family of confectioners and a lot of the same chemistry used to make glass and crystal was similar to making candy.  

Swap out sand for sugar

Swap out potash for flavors

Ribbon candy and ribbon glass are made with the same basic tools and techniques.

Lollipops are panes of glass on a stick

Taffy is like pulling and shaping molten glass.

 I also found that other children of glass and crystal makers moved into candy in the 1800s.

He is very connected on WT hs profile is

 https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Walter-3015  but hs wife Eva Weber is a mystery and I often wondered if she had ties into the confectionary world through her family.  As she is a total brick wall I have no idea.

Her profile is https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Weber-5077

I would love it f someone can find any info on her!

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Yes, Walter and Weber are sort of like Harris and Jones in the English-speaking world.  Good luck breaking down that brick wall.

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I have 600 years of Walter line entered into WikiTree

Answer 11

I will try to find more information about Theodor Tobler. I have some local advantages.

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That's a relief. Every time I see Toblerone on offer in a stores these days, I think about poor, unconnected, unloved Theodor. I'm glad he's getting some attention now.

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Okay... I found a biography book about Theodor Tobler, written by his grandson. Found an adress of his grandson... they have a whole family tree and will send it to me! :-)

I hope it's also in general interest to get a good biography and sources at his and his familys profiles?

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Absolutely! We want every profile to be the best it can possibly be. I can even see the possibility of Theodor being the profile of the week once he's connected, and has a good biography and sources.

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I entered the whole family tree I got, I'm still waiting to get some dates of death of the last few years. If anyone would like to research his family further, please feel free.

Now I'm working on the biography and sources of Theodor Toblers profile and his parents.

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Thank you, Isabelle. I see that Theodor now shows two great-grandparents, and having great-grandparents on WikiTree is another prerequisite for being included on a list on the Relationship Finder Quick Links page, so that's very helpful.

I have removed your name from Theodor's entry, so other people will know that they can jump in there.

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Finally I completely overworked Theodor Toblers biography and sources. I deleted unnecessary or half-right information and also unnecessary sources as find a grave (no additional information, sadly the real grave no longer exists). I used several swiss sources, so the information and swiss locations all should be correct.
But please, could someone look over my poor English?

I will work on the biography of Theodors parents and brother soon.

Also, I got a hint, that there might be someone who worked on their family tree further back, so I'll try to get this information as well, maybe we can then connect them.

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I took a look. You did a very nice job. If I were to make any wishes about it, I'd wish for a version of his biography in German. (French, too.)

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Thank you! :-)

I could do a German version, that would be no problem. But I'd say, it would make the profile much larger and a little confusing? For those who don't understand English, it's not really a problem to translate from English to any other language in the internet, compared to German to any other language.

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There are a number of reasons why I encourage the creation of biographies and other profile elements, categories, portals, and help pages in languages other than English:

• I have seen way too many comments in G2G, complaining that WikiTree is only for Americans (or at least only for English speakers). We keep on saying that WikiTree is for everybody, and that's the intention, but it's still true that the vast majority of the content on WikiTree is English-only. For WikiTree to be truly for everybody, we need to start making it user-friendly for speakers of other languages, and that means adding content in those languages.
• I think it's only respectful to a person to make it so that, if they were alive today, they'd be able to read their own profile. (Although I wouldn't really blame anybody for baulking at the idea of writing a biography in Latin for somebody who lived in the Middle Ages.)
• While I understand that many, many people for whom English is not their first language isn't English are still perfectly capable of reading and writing English, to me, it just says more that "You are welcome here" to make it possible for somebody to work on WikiTree in their first language if we possibly can.

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't have biographies in English for the benefit of us monophones. I do appreciate having those. But when I'm creating a profile for somebody who spoke some other language, I use Google Translate to put up their biography in their language first, and then English afterwards. (For example, see the profile for Vladimir Komarov.)

I have also put up a page to try to help people increase the presence of countries which are under-represented on WikiTree.

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You're right, I also like the idea to write a biography as well in the language those person would have understand. I already did this for the sources of my italian relatives.
But I personally would rather put the effort in translating the menue buttons and help pages than in biographies. This would be very helpful for those who don't understand English.

I will write a German version of the biography of Theodor Tobler, but I have to see how soon I have time for it.

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Somebody (I don't know who) has connected Theodor Tobler! 

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Thanks for the information!

[https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Garrett-5361 Martha Garrett] connceted him.

But as I see, there's no proof that the person in the marriage record of [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Buehler-341 Anna Bühler Baumann], Theodor Toblers mother-in-law, is the same as in the birth record. There are so many Bühler in Switzerland and both parents and birth date are not mentioned in the marriage record. Or am I making a mistake?
I'm staying on it.

Answer 12

• Coenraad van Houten  is connected, but not by me.

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Yay! I'm glad to see that people are still working on this challenge. 

Answer 13

Finally--about 200 profiles later--Walter Diemer is connected to the tree!

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That is an achievement! 

Did you bump into any other unconnected profiles on the way?

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Yep!  And actually managed to connect Walter two ways (one profile is a bit tenuous so tried a surer route).

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Better and better!

Answer 14

I discovered today that Karol Wedel is now connected. I don't know who did it, but thank you!

Answer 15

I'm thinking that it would be fun to do another food-related list, or rather, a couple of them:

1. Several people have suggested the inventors of foods in categories that I didn't have in mind when I used the terms "goodie maker", because to me, a "goodie" is something sweet, like a candy, cookie/biscuit, pastry, cake, etc. Nevertheless, people who invented other foods are also part of our lives, in a sense, and in any case, everybody matters on WikiTree, so I'm all in favour of a non-sweet list, although I think I'd call it "food inventors" or something along those lines.
2. There are also lots more inventors of famous sweets, so I think we could easily do another "goodie maker" list (or perhaps even several).

I'm thinking primarily of people who invented something, and that thing got so popular that they went on to found a company which became a household name. (Think of Campbell's, Christie, Nutter Butter, Oreos, Swanson, etc. If you can discover the inventor(s) of Tim-Tams, you will automatically gain a place in the Genealogical Hall of Awesomeitude, just as soon as it's started.) But if you can discover the inventor of something which caught on, even if they didn't manage to build a company out of it, then that should count, too. (Think candied apples, chocolate chip cookies, ginger snaps, Nanaimo bars, snickerdoodles, whoopie pies, etc.)

For either list, I'd want between 12 and 20 profiles. (Fewer than 12 makes a challenge less interesting, I think, and also gives people fewer choices of profiles to work on. More than 20 means that I start to run into the message size limit once I've built a table with links and start to add people as they connect profiles.)

I'd also like to have some variety in countries. Part of my goal in doing these lists is to help increase WikiTree's coverage of countries other than the United States and the United Kingdom. I'm happy to include people from those countries, of course, but I'd like to have at least some people from other countries as well.

Going forward, I'm going to have lot less time to spend on WikiTree, so I'm going to need some help building these lists. So if you have a favourite food (sweet or savoury), and can find out who invented it, and then create a WikiTree profile for them (or if you find one already on WikiTree), please send me a private message with the WikiTree ID for that person, and I'll add it to my spreadsheet, and once I get at least a dozen in one category or the other, I'll post another challenge. (Please don't just post it here, because then somebody might connect them!)

Answer 16

I connected the Candy Man aka Dean Corll who was a serial killer who killed 28 kids in Houston.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Corll-10

Answer 17

I did manage to find the death registration for Robert McVitie Jr. He had bought a home in Hertfordshire, and died there in 1910. But supposedly, he's buried in Edinburgh.

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I did some work on the Robert McVitie family.  It looks like the child of Robert's who had children was Catherine Mary McVitie. She married Francis Weston, and they had two children. Only one Catherine Weston's children may have had children, and that would be Robert McVitie Weston.

If Robert McVitie can't be traced through this grandson, then he will have to be connected through an earlier line or through his wife, Catherine Gairns.

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Wouldn't it be funny if the McVitie's connection to the main tree happened through the Canadian Westons!

Answer 18

Now I'm fully into swiss goodie makers! :-D

I tried to improve Henri Nestlés biography. As he was German, we would need someone who is good at German genalogy to connect him.

Question: how is it possible to change the born family names, if they are obviously spelled wrong? Can only the creator of a profile edit the born family name?

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The profile manager is the only one to change the LNAB. If a profile is orphaned, adopt it and change it yourself, if not, leave a message on the profile.

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Okay, I will do so. Thank you very much for the information.

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Today, I found that Henri Nestlé has been connected. I think I. Caruso did the deed, but I'm not sure. If it was you, I., please take a bow. Anyway, whoever it was, thank you very much! In terms of percent complete, this challenge is in third place among the "Can you help connect...?" challenges, at 81.3%. In terms of people still to connect, it's tied for second, with three people still to connect.

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Thanks for the news! I didn't connect Henri Nestlé, but added some relatives and hoped, someone else with deeper knowledge of German genealogy would be able to connect him.
I think, [[Thiele-295|Manuela]] might have connected Henri Nestlé.

By the way: turned out that not WikiTree had the born name of his mother wrong, but Wikipedia did!

Answer 19

Sometime last year, I connected Jeremiah Colman (1777 - 1851)  ( https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Colman-350 ), founder of Colman's Mustard, to the main tree,

Answer 20

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Nestl%C3%A9  If you read this bio Nestle's father was a glazier that is a glass maker.  So once again this is an example of a glass making family moving into candy making in the 1800s.    

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I have entered data for his Grandparents and info on his grandfather's profile about aunts and uncles to Henri.  Also listed name of his great gandfather.  But more research to find birth or death date.  I could estimate it but would rather do more research first.   Henri had no children.  But he likely had cousins from some of those aunts and uncles.  Also the surname changed.  So you have to look under both.  See  Nestlé-43