Why are people walking away from merged profiles?

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When I merge two profiles, I see a message on screen that asks me to edit the profile, and clean the biography. And I do that, in most cases, because I don't like to leave a mess here, or anywhere else. Exceptions are PPPs that have notes about biographies that need discussions first.

When I receive an email about a merge done by a fellow member, I see a similar message about cleaning, but unless the profile is very important to me, I don't perform that cleaning anymore. And if it is a profile that I adopted earlier, I even remove myself as a manager, because I see no point in cleaning up when others dislike this site and its members so much that they'd rather show a mess to everyone else.

Having had a watchlist that was much larger than the advised 5000 max, I know that clean-up after merge can be a nasty task, especially when you're a leader, and receive loads of merge requests. But being a leader also brings a responsibility, and if you can't handle that, I think that you don't deserve that badge.

I got the super star badge myself long ago, and from experience I know that stardom can be bad, and risk of (information) overload is real. But if that occurs, I hope that super stars doing merges realize that in the end, quality may be more important than quantity, as was discussed on a competing site.

There are loads of duplicates here, and I think that extra work is created because of all the extras in biographies that are generated by the site itself, either on import or on manual creation of a profile. That's a thing that staff can change, and I hope that management also understands that not many people really like cleaning behind other members' behinds. When that happens too long, they simply walk away.

I will keep my watchlist lean and mean, and only take care for my own ancestors and close relatives, but I think it's sad that things have come that far.

Thanks a lot, fellas ... sad

in WikiTree Tech by anonymous G2G6 Mach 2 (21.4k points)
retagged by Darlene Athey-Hill
Perhaps the more serious problem is that this complicates the sources and paper trail supporting the information in both profiles. This is provided, of course, that the people who created the originals or who merged them bothered to source anything in the first place.

Change Borgsteede-1 to a public tree and run the database query http://www.sdms.si:92/function/WTWeb/errors.htm?Generations=9&WikiTreeID=Borgsteede-1 then you will get an understanding how difficut it is to get everything correct....

Reports on 

In the very beginning of my time here at WikiTree, i was afraid to clean-up after a merge, if there were other managers, in case they might be displeased with how i had cleaned-up. As i became more courageous, i began to ask permission to clean-up. But i eventually i realised that many profile managers do not care about what is in the profiles, and how their managed profiles look (many are an embarassment, with nothing else than strings of incoherent codes). So i began to clean-up after every merge done by me, or done by someone else involving a profile created by me. I save whatever from the merge looks like pertinent information, integrating it into the biograpy and sources, even if it contrast to mine own. I write, for example, ''born on 31 April 1870, <source> or 1 May 1871 <source>. I get rid of all file codes, long Ancestry.com explanations, and other impertinent and incomprehensible details. I add the name of the creator of the merged profile -  if i can find it - under ''Acknowledgements'' or ''Profile History''.

If a profile that i adopt is of an ancestor of mine, i look for sources - if i can find any; many profiles have no primary or secondary sources, but merely show ''Ancestry Family Trees'', if that. Sometimes i find no sources, so i just clean-up the adopted profile and leave ''Ancestry'' as its only source, or no source, if the original profile had no sources.

All profiles can at least look decent and readable: there is no excuse not to do at least that kind of minimum post-merge or post-adoption clean-up. Later, if i have time and remember, i can always go back to a profile and try to search for better sources.

Merging can sometimes result in multiple parents or siblings or children or wives of the same name; sometimes it is possible to merge those too, sometimes it is impossible to do anything about the resulting situation, and then i just leave the multiple or conflicting family members alone, for the managers of those profiles to deal with.

7 Answers

+32 votes
 
Best answer

Enno,

I believe you make a valid point.  While WikiTree isn't perfect (what truly IS?), and it is bound to end up with duplicates, due to its very nature to allow anyone & everyone to contribute, I appreciate your frustration with the profile managers that merge profiles and then leave it at that -- never going into the new, combined profile, as suggested, to clean it up.  Profile managers need to accept responsibility for the profiles they manage, which means when they complete merges they need to look at the profile & at least start to clean it up.  Some profiles may require more than one pass, or more than one person, to clean up after merge(s).  But clicking on the 'merge' button & then leaving it at that is, to me, irresponsible.  If you don't want the responsibility, then remove yourself as manager.  And remember, every merge  (unless one of them was without a manager) has at least two managers.  So the onus shouldn't always be on the one that completes the merge.

My hope is that you will appreciate that there are people out there that are doing it right.   I never put an acknowledgment to myself on profiles I add to or clean up.  I'm not on WikiTree for recognition; I'm here to try and improve a site which I think can be so beneficial for others interested in their genealogy.  I hope you won't lose faith or think you are alone.  You're not, and your efforts and contributions are very much appreciated.  Without selfless contributions and efforts by others such as yourself, the site wouldn't/couldn't improve.

On that note, how's about everyone that reads this thread and manages profiles start cleaning up not only new merges, but going over your other profiles and start cleaning them up.  Thank you, in advance, for your efforts and time!  We all benefit!

by Darlene Athey-Hill G2G6 Pilot (540k points)
selected by Lauren Conte
When I come across a profile that has clearly received attention, I tend to be a bit cautious in making changes/additions.  When I come across one that has "biography" and "sources" repeated two or three times, it's clear that nobody cares, and if the profile is of someone I care about -- ancestor, etc -- I go ahead and clean it up.  But I've never put my own link under acknowledgements -- perhaps I should!  (But it's there under "changes" if anyone is curious.
+17 votes

Wow, Enno, bad day? frown

We appreciate all that you do here even though we sometimes pass up opportunities to express our thanks.  It is really easy to press that "Thank Enno for this"  link, but I sometimes miss that opportunity. blush

I think your blanket criticism sounds a bit . . . well, it sounds like a lot of things, but mostly I think it is undeserved by most of the WikiTreers trying to make this a better website.  I suggest that you put a statement on each profile that you clean up.  This is what I say on all the profiles I work on:

=== Acknowledgments ===

Thank you to [[Cooper-1|Kitty Smith]] for contributions to this profile.

If you had also contributed to the profile or you had created the profile, I would copy and paste [[Borgsteede-1|Enno Borgsteede]] in front of my name in the Acknowledgments.  Maybe something like that would make you feel better about your work here.  It isn't a "Thank you", but at least it is an acknowledgment.  

I think there are a lot of WikiTreers working hard on the 7 million+ profiles here, maybe it just isn't the same profiles you are working on.  

 

by Kitty Smith G2G6 Pilot (646k points)
Bad day indeed, but the sad truth is that when I see merges completed by others, the majority is not cleaned, even though every screen I see after my own merge asks to do so ...

In the profiles that I see merged, cleaning has become an exception, and I am not the only one who sees that. I emailed a leader today, and she confirmed what I see.

And if that goes on, maybe it's time for a thumbs down instead. Working hard is no excuse for sloppiness, I think, unless it is indeed a numbers game.
I get it. I adopted one profile where each child had 6 or 7 dups created by the same person. Each with different dates and spelling. All merged into that one profile when the many dups of the parents were merged. And I am still searching sources. For correct dates.
I think it can be intimidating to edit a wiki.  I've been around the site for a while now and it took me almost a year to get over being afraid of doing it "wrong".  It's a definite mental difference to work with a Wiki style as opposed to other genealogy sites.  It wasn't until I finally saw some other examples of wiki template formats that I finally made up one of my own to use on the profiles I am currently the only manager on.  When editing a profile that is managed more people than myself, I fear they have another method of cleanup and won't like what I do.

I am learning to realize that something is better than nothing in the way of cleanup, and am becoming more confident in finding my way around the help sections of the site.

While I am sure that a large part of the problem may be people who just don't care, there are still those of us who are slow to adapt and are careful about actions we take in a publicly managed arena like this one!

Thanks for all your hard work!
Mmm ... It appears that shortly after this discussion, Enno closed his account and (I assume) left wikitree. His profile has been anonymized and locked and we can no longer see the contributions he made. Sad on all fronts. :-(
+9 votes
I'm someone who is guilty of completing some merges and not going back and cleaning up the biography but I'm in a bit of a quandry.  Currently I'm spending most of my time on one family, trying to get the profiles and biographies completed(?) and sourced, and only a minumum of time on the rest of the profiles I've adopted with the intention of getiing back to them later.

However would it be better to clean up, at least to a basic level, all the profiles I've adopted and then go back and work on the biographies?

Perhaps I've adopted too many (though I have no where near the 5,000 that Enno mentioned).  Should I have only adopted those I can comfortably manage in a fortnight or a month and then adopt more and leave the rest to their fate?

I'm still fairly new to being involved in the Euroaristo group so I am very open to any suggestions, ideas, 'tricks of the trade'.  Is there a best way forward?
by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (619k points)

John,

I think each member has to decide how they want to proceed with WikiTree.  My personal belief as to the best way to do it is to not adopt a profile without cleaning it up.  By cleaning it up, I mean consolidating the information there.  Many are the results of a multitude of merges, with the 'biography' heading appearing half a dozen times or more interspersed throughout, etc.  You don't need to go in and enter biographical data and sources immediately upon adopting a profile.  But I do think a quick cleanup is in order at that time.

Sometimes a merged profile needs a lot of work to clean it up.  If I don't have the time to do it all, I will get it started and make a note that it still needs work.   At least others can see that the cleanup has been started.

When you manage a lot of profiles and end up being involved in numerous merges, I'm sure you can appreciate that it can be frustrating when, time and time again, the other manager doesn't even begin a cleanup.

There was a previous discussion about orphans that may interest you, John.  http://www.wikitree.com/g2g/66274/there-problem-with-the-current-process-adoption-of-profiles?show=66341#a66341  

Thanks Kitty, reading that discussion was very helpful.
+19 votes
Enno,

Not everyone leaves a mess.  Whenever people ask me to approve a merge, I always clean up the profile afterward.

Also, some people are new to Wiki and are not that good with a computer.  It took me some time on Wiki to learn about the templates and suggestions for editing a profile.

some of them seem so overwhelming to new people.

Let's just encourage each other to clean up and point them to the standards.

Thank you for your diligence and reminders to us.

Vicki
by Vicki Norman G2G6 Mach 2 (22.2k points)
+21 votes
Hey Enno,

There is something else to consider as well.  New members who are not familiar with all that WikiTree is, sometimes don't do the clean-ups until they have been around for a bit.  They may take longer to actually do merges as well.

Everyone has thier own learning curve.

Mags
by Mags Gaulden G2G6 Pilot (642k points)
+19 votes
The fact is that there is an awful lot of work to do on this site and reaching an acceptable state is not for tommorow.

IMHO, each task  requires specific skills and most people are not good at them all. Letting people do what they like seems to be the best way to keep them here.
by Living Pictet G2G6 Mach 3 (33.0k points)
+9 votes
Question: How do you eat an Elephant ?

Answer: One bite at a time. :)
by Anonymous Vickery G2G6 Pilot (258k points)

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