Looking for help finding more information on William Charlton from Vermont or Michigan.

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1920 census shows his mother was from France and his father was from Scotland and he was born in Vermont or 1930 census shows his son's father's birthplace to be Michigan around 1866.
WikiTree profile: William Charlton
in Genealogy Help by Boris Charlton G2G6 Mach 1 (11.1k points)
edited by Boris Charlton

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ok, the first source should be this. 

"California Death Index, 1940-1997," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VGYY-F4D : 26 November 2014), Charlton in entry for Mary Orillacharlt Stevens, 05 Mar 1986; Department of Public Health Services, Sacramento.

Not the link to his FamilySearch profile.

Second source should be listed like this

"United States Census, 1920," database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHWX-MP2 : accessed 7 February 2019), Wm Charlton, San Diego, San Diego, California, United States; citing ED 313, sheet 5B, line 66, family 97, NARA microfilm publication T625 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1992), roll 131; FHL microfilm 1,820,131.

Not having much luck with more.

by Steven Tibbetts G2G6 Pilot (409k points)
How does Mary Stevens' death record contribute anything toward identifying William H Charlton (It lists simply Charlton)? Should it not be more appropriately included in her profile (as it is) ?
What I was referencing is using the source they had on the family tree, not the family tree itself. A family tree isn't a source. You should also try to use the citation instead of just the web link.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Sourcing_Primer_-_Instructional is a nice tutorial with links to further info that helps show this. Sadly, much info even though it is public information is only accessible through Ancestry's paywall. They are still good sources if you aren't just using family trees but a citation is even more important than a blurb saying such and such was at ancestry.com. a complete citation should allow an ancestry member to get there in 1 click while allowing a non-member to see what it is for.

(btw if you want more help, add the tag "sources" with "Charlton".)
The link to the familysearch profile is a handy notation to put in the sources box when creating the initial wikitree profile. It provides an easy quick placeholder to reference for adding more complete information later. Unlike ancestry links, familysearch is not paywalled. Should alternate or additional tags be used with these links since they often actually do lead to further helpful information?
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It looks like he is a Jr:

Name: William Charlton II
Gender: Male
Residence Year: 1917
Street address: 410 West E
Residence Place: San Diego, California, USA
Occupation: Cook
Spouse: Lenora Charlton
Publication Title: San Diego, California, City Directory, 1917

Source Information

Ancestry.com. U.S. City Directories, 1822-1995

by Doug Lockwood G2G Astronaut (2.6m points)
That is not II. That is misread H.
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Name: William H Charlton
Birth Year: abt 1878
Death Date: 17 Nov 1928
Age at Death: 50
Death Place: San Diego, California, USA

Source Information

Ancestry.com. California, Death Index, 1905-1939

by Doug Lockwood G2G Astronaut (2.6m points)
Good information. Wonder why it did not come up querying the same california death index 1905-1939 through familysearch.com?

You would not happen to have found a birth record or any information on his parents to help me get over this current brick wall ?
I've found that earlier civil death records, like this one, do not have precise ages (always be suspicious if it's a multiple of 10). Also, since an actual image was not provided, it might no really even say "50". Given the difficulty of your problem, you should definitely get a copy of the actual record. I don't know about CA, but other death certificates in that time frame give places of birth (if you're lucky, they'll give the county, or even the town. They also give the parents names, although sometimes it just says "don't know" (especially when the age is so approximate)..
+2 votes
This is definitely a tough one!

It seems like I've been there a number of times, my "genealogical brother", and I have to believe that it IS solvable - it's just not far enough back in time to be impossible. The keys are (1) perseverance above all, (2) what I call "real work", which means not relying on flawed indices  and records being conveniently available online and (3) sometimes a little luck helps too.

I'm reminded of how I found the parents for one of my own gt-gt grandparents. The family lived in Buffalo NY, but I couldn't find her in earlier records, despite having known her maiden name. It was actually BAD information that put me in the right direction! A death certificate (probably of her son, my great-grandfather, I forget offhand) said that she was born in nearby Lancaster NY. Thing is, everything else said she was born in Ireland!

I checked out Lancaster NY, and starting to find things! Apparently the informant for the death certificate knew only that she was FROM there - which she WAS. She was born in Ireland, but moved there as a small child! They were even married there. The spelling of the family name in the census there was pretty messed up, too. So I may never have found them there at all, if not for the bad info on the death certificate.

Anyway, based on that experience, and many others, I have a number of thoughts on this difficult situation.

* Let's ask ourselves where a man from Scotland meets and marries a French girl? Well, I happen to have done some research for my nephew, whose mother had ancestors in northern VT, near the borders of both NY and Quebec.

What I learned is that the triangular region between the St Lawrence River and the US border (NY & VT), in Quebec, immediately south of Montreal, was settled by people from Scotland in the early 1800s, if I recall correctly. This being Quebec, there are French people all over the place as well. So I'm thinking your French girl may or may not have actually been born in France - I'd guess that she was simply French-Canadian.

I figure the couple migrated into neighboring VT (in the NW corner, on Lake Champlain), where William was born. They probably moved before long, and he spent most of his childhood in MI.

* The occupations I'm seeing for William are fisherman, chef, and steward. All of these can relate to the water, so maybe William spent his early adulthood working on ships on the Great Lakes. Note that his future bride is living on the western shore of Lake Michigan (one of the Great Lakes, of course) in the 1910 census, which would be JUST before they married.

* I'd guess that the two might be Catholic, so you might want to get a look at the Catholic Church records for the bride's parents' parish, back in Milwaukee (again, that's "real work"). It's also possible they married near where they met, or at the groom's church "back home" (wherever that was), or other things.The marriage record, whether civil or from the church, might tell the parents.

* "Charlton" seems like an unusual name, and appears to be Scottish, as far as I can tell, so at least that much makes sense. But it also seems like the kind of name that is just asking to be misspelled, in a variety of ways. Usually when people show up missing from the records a lot, it's because of handwriting/spelling/transcription errors (it's especially bad with some German names). In your case, they may have also been in Canada at times.

* Other things can happen to mess things up. For example, if William's father died, and his mom remarried, he might appear in the census under his step-dad's surname!

* Analyze the heck out of your DNA matches - their Shared Matches are essential. Chances are, you have a number of distant relatives on that side in your matches, and they might provide the clues you need to get there! If anything, you should always work out your distant relatives on that side, because you never know whether something will pop up regarding those relatives that will give you a clue to the ancestors.

* Good luck!
by Living Stanley G2G6 Mach 9 (91.1k points)
edited by Living Stanley

Death record claims age at death to be 50 which would put birth year around 1878 but 1930 census claims age to be 54 which puts birth around 1866. 1920 census claims birthplace Vermont but 1930 census claims his son's father's birthplace to be Michigan, might be the reason no birth records can be found in Vermont.)

I can personally attest to the fact that most people will always misspell the Charlton name having grown up with it myself.

Amongst items inherited from my father's estate when he passed, tucked in amongst his school yearbooks was a square of paper written in his own hand his ethnic background.

  • 1/2 Icelandic
  • 5/16 Irish
  • 1/8 English
  • 1/32 French
  • 1/32 Cherokee
Extrapolating using known entities from the rest of the tree we infer that William is believed to be 1/2 English, 1/4 Irish, 1/8 French, 1/8 Cherokee. (I imagine romanticized notions of a french-canadian trapper and cherokee hunting team for that last part making it nigh impossible to ever know for sure).

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