Quebec Catholic Parish Registers, 1621-1979 Index Wiki

Question

For awhile now I've been creating indexes for the Quebec Catholic Parish Registers on Familysearch.com. When I come across something of significance, like the start of a year or an index, I add a link and the image number to a spreadsheet. I've finally gotten around to importing one of these into a freespace page and would like to know if this is something that others would find useful. I have partial indexes for about 30 parishes in spreadsheets which I can convert to freespace pages over time (no offers of assistance will be refused!) and hopefully others will contribute once they get going. I imagine many hands could create some fairly complete indexes over a short time.

If you're interested have a look at the main page Quebec Catholic Parish Registers, 1621-1979 Index. The only working links now are to Batiscan which has a few years indexed, and another to Becancour to show a city/town with more than one parish. In the case of Batiscan and other city/towns that have only one parish I'd link directly to the index but if there is more than one parish I'd link to an intermediate page with links to the individual parishes. Not very pretty but it works.

Any feedback is much appreciated.

Comments

Paul - This seems like a monumental task, but we all may benefit from the efforts for building our ancestral profiles. I will be following your discussions.

Thanks

Dave Charbonneau

Answer 1

Hello Paul,

Quite the task you have set yourself there.  Hats off to you.

One problem is, you appear to be using the parish names as entered in FamilySearch, which are often wrong in fact.  And they hyphenate everything, which is an error.  For example, Saint-Pierre-de-Sorel should actually read Saint-Pierre de Sorel, Sorel being the municipality.  I think they do the hyphenation bit due to computer search functions, so the computer sees it as one name.  

For Berthier-sur-Mer which you have entered data on, the name of the parish is Notre-Dame-de-l'Assomption.  No -de-Bellechasse at the end of the name.  And Berthier-sur-Mer is the modern name of the location, it was formerly called Berthier-en-Bas, distinguishing it from Berthier-en-Haut (modern-day Berthierville).

Your list appears to include all sorts of levels, like Comté, MRC, city, parish, all mixed up together.  Skip the comté and MRC ones, which for the first change a lot, and for the other are quite recent.

For a good reference on parishes, presuming you read French sufficiently for the purpose, see http://www.originis.ca/paroisse_alpha.html Originis, who give the name of the parish, dates, brief overview.

For a map of parishes up to 1912, see https://www.genealogiequebec.com/fr/lafrance/carte which is the map from Drouin institute, also used by PRDH now

Also, https://www.prdh-igd.com/en/ListeParoissesSuivantNomUsuel list of parishes by name from PRDH

Note that Ange-Gardien and L'Ange-Gardien .both exist, they are 2 separate places, not to be confused together, they are both in your list; which is good.  Also note that Ancienne-Lorette is named L'Ancienne-Lorette.

Just a few details I spotted, as long as you have undertaken such a task, more power to you.  Suggest you set up your structure by municipality, with parishes listed below each when there is more than one, like

Montréal

:   Notre-Dame de Montréal

:  Christ-Church cathedral

etc.  Will make thing easier for others to navigate through.

All that said, I think this is a great idea.  Should probably get linked to other pages once you are further along, just so people can find it.

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Thanks Danielle,

I was hoping you'd join in the discussion. It seems I have something of a penchant for opening worm cans, eh? The list on the main index page is straight from Familysearch, which I realize has some issues. Since this is the way they structured their data it will almost certainly cause major confusion if I use a different structure to link to their records. That said I think there is a good opportunity here to help people find records and possibly to standardize place names at least a bit. What I'd like to try is to convert the list of place names to a table format and then add columns for alternate names. I actually began a sort of cross reference between PRDH and Familysearch (though it has a whopping one entry at this point) since my search usually begins at PRDH which only provides only a year for a given event. I then use that year to search for the original record at Familysearch. I discovered that some of the parish names at PRDH have no equivalent at Familysearch (St-Jean-sur-Richeleu (Cathedrale) at PRDH is Saint-Jean, Saint-Jean-l'Evangeliste at Familysearch). This may seem obvious to some people, but to me as someone who speaks essentially no French and whose knowledge of Canadian geography is mostly limited to the province level it's not obvious at all. I think it may also help to have another column for a Wikitree standard name and another for a link to a description page that can be used to present any additional information about the place such as changes to the name over time. I'll have to rely on the Wiki spirit to complete such a table as the task is way out of my league, but I can at least try to present a format that allows others to share their knowledge on this complicated and often perplexing issue. This will probably even take me a little while as I'm working pretty much blind here and am still trying to figure out the wiki markup language but I'll see what I can come up with as soon as I can. Thanks as always for the advice.

Any ideas on the best places to link to this once it's presentable?

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As far as the list from FamilySearch, for structural purposes, we don't really care how they do theirs, when you include links to the appropriate section over there it bypasses the whole issue.  But we really should have parishes named correctly here.

Standardizing place names is something of a problem by itself, since some place names changed over time.  Thus for example Berthier-en-Bas became Berthier-sur-Mer, was also referred to as l'Assomption-de-Bellechasse, seigneurie de Berthier, seigneurie de Bellechasse......  .

You might use Originis to base your names on, they do have an alphabetic listing by city, or region or diocese etc.  And you can put a link to the relevant article of theirs on the parish page.

St-Jean-l'Évangéliste is an aka for St-Jean-sur-Richelieu, which is the cathedral of the city of same name, also known as St-Jean-l'Évangéliste-de-Dorchester, which name was abandonned.  Also sometimes called St-Jean-d'Iberville.  There is another parish named St-Jean-l'Évangéliste, but it is way over on the east coast not too far from Carleton, so would be confusing to use that name.  The city of St-Jean-sur-Richelieu has shortened its name to St-Jean more recently.

As far as the extraneous listings FS has like comté and MRC, don't know if they have parish records linked directly to them or not, but you can link to the correct place namess instead if they do.

Places to link to once it's done, I would suggest linking each individual page to its location categories, thus Berthier-sur-Mer would link to both Berthier-en-Bas, Canada, Nouvelle-France and to Berthier-sur-Mer, Québec.  The Canada, Nouvelle-France categories are pretty much all created, so that's not an issue, the modern place names for the province are far from all done, so may take a while.  Still working out some details on category tree structure for this place, with the additional parts of Québec Province 1763-1791 and Bas-Canada 1791-1867 to fill in also.

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a penchant for opening worm cans, eh?  lol, now for sure I know we're cousins.  

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Danielle-

Many thanks for your input helping with this huge effort for WikiTree. I look forward to learning more about the accurate records of several generations in Quebec.

Merci,

Dave Charbonneau

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Danielle, you said:
"I would suggest linking each individual page to its location categories, thus Berthier-sur-Mer would link to both Berthier-en-Bas, Canada, Nouvelle-France and to Berthier-sur-Mer, Québec.  The Canada, Nouvelle-France categories are pretty much all created, so that's not an issue,"

Is there an easy way to find a listing of those categories? Paul suggested a column in the master index with these links - but I'm having a hard time finding them.

 - Greg

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hi Greg,

I've linked the Canada, Nouvelle-France mother category to Places in Canada, Historic category, so in category tree you can now find it by going Regions -> North America -> Canada -> Places in Canada, Historic -> Canada, Nouvelle-France and from there to the individual places.  Lots of work still to be done on all the later location categories here, so they are mostly not there yet.

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Thank you very much Danielle - that's very helpful!  (Was that there all along, and I just not able to find it in front of my own nose?) Thanks for spelling it out for me.

I do have a question though that viewing this page raises for me:  I thought I read somewhere when I first started on WikiTree, and wanting to get the naming conventions right that even though lots of resources use the abbreviations St and Ste that they should always be spelled out as Saint- and Sainte- .   Did I misinterpret that?  (In my master index, I always use the full word for parish names, and place names, but am wondering if that is wrong).

Can you clarify for me please ?

Thanks again,

 - Greg

:-)

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for locations on profiles, put the full Saint/Sainte-  

Categories don't have that requirement that I am aware of.

And no, you were not missing it, I just linked it after your question about it.

Answer 2

HI there Paul!  Your post grabbed my eye right away, because I've been doing something similar while tracking my French Canadian ancestors.  I have a Google spreadsheet where I record details of the various registry entries (and use a very long formula to assemble them into consistent posting style for wikitree)

I haven't been tracking necessarily the beginning of each year range, but I can sort my sheet chronologically, so if I'm looking for a new date, I can interpolate between the two closest dates to it, and get a fairly good estimate.

Your approach, however, is a little more strategic and systematic, and would be very helpful!

However, here is what I'm wondering about.

Organizing information like this is most naturally done using a shareable spreadsheet  - for me Google spreadsheets that can allow others to join in on the fun make the perfect sense.  That to me seems to be the natural habitat for this type of information to live - and certainly the easiest for us as creators to add new data on an ongoing basis.

I'm wondering if the Freespace page you've setup be the starting point, here in WikiTree, with the indexes jumping out to the live spreadsheet, which will always be up to date with our latest entries, and wouldn't require extra work and time and effort from us to copy and paste back and forth.

Also, in the Freespace, could be links to a How To guide about navigating, to help people out who might not be as comfortable using the spreadsheet (or new to Family Search  - Quebec register records in general)

IF we were to go with the live spreadsheet (and if you don't like Google, I'm open to other platforms, as long as they are free, and accessible by all, like wikitree) - then I would suggest that there are two other columns that would make the index even more useful!

For each Year - you have a Starting Image #.  For some years, in some registers, there are also  Repetoire pages that summarize all the events for that year (sometimes at the beginning, sometimes at the end of the range, and sometimes in other locations).  A reference to the Repetoire Image # would also be useful for the cases when you just need a quick scan of all the names in a given year.   I like how you hot-linked the year in your Batiscan example to the first image of that year - that makes sense in the spreadsheet, I'd also include a hot link to the Repetoire page.  (I'm using the word Repetoire because that's how I've seen it referred to sometimes - but is Index a better  / more common word to describe it?  Yearly Index? I'm flexible)

I'd be quite happy to work with you on setting something like this up - it would help me in my future research, and hopefully others too.

 - Greg

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Hi Greg, thanks so much for your response. I actually first considered just posting my spreadsheets in Google docs but for some reason decided to try the Freespace page idea first. I must say that now that I've tried it I'm not very excited about converting everything and maintaining it in Wiki markup, it's just a lot of extra formatting work. So I'd be all for Google Docs spreadsheets. I'd prefer to separate the sheets for each parish as I think one spreadsheet will eventually become too large if all the parishes are added. I was actually already having trouble with mine performance wise which is why I split it up into individual spreadsheets for each parish. So I'm thinking the main index page could stay in freespace and the city/town links could link to individual spreadsheets for each parish on Google docs where there is only one parish and to a page with links for each parish where there is more than one.

I do actually have links to indexes or repertoire pages for some of the parishes as well. I've just been using the word index rather than start in the item column in those cases. So I'd just have two entries for a given year one would be for the start and the other for the index (which I've usually found to be at the end of the year when they exist, though sometimes they're in a completely different part of the register). This also raises the question of whether the docs should be bilingual which would certainly make sense. I'd need help on that because my French is terrible.

If you want to try a test parish out with a Google doc feel free to link it right to the existing freespace index page for the city/town, or if you'd rather I can give it a try when I get a chance. Let me know.

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Thanks Paul.

I will have a look through my spreadsheets later tonight, and see if there's one that's got lots of dates already so that I can setup a sample one for our collection.  I'll also try to keep in mind Danielle's suggestions about naming (though I think most of those refer to the FreeSpace page content)

- Greg

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Sounds great. I'll send you a PM so I can send you a copy of one of my spreadsheets if you want. It's pretty simple but might inspire some ideas.

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Would the Google sheet allow for version tracking like a wiki? I'd just barely started my own version at https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/User:KarenTobo/Sandbox but it certainly is a bother working in Wiki markup. With shared editing we'd want to account for user error.

Perhaps we could work in Google Sheets for a while and then slurp it into wikitable format with an import tool.

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Yes Karen - Google Sheets definitely has a History that you can see where changes were made, and revert them selectively if need be.  There's also the ability to add comments too.

I'm going to start working on a prototype for Sainte-Geneviève-de-Batiscan which I'll share for feedback when I'm ready.

Are you interested in helping out as well?

- Greg

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I'd like to be able to contribute as I search, but wouldn't have much time for pure data entry.

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Thanks Karen, I think if even a few of the people here at Wikitree who search the registers regularly enter index points when they come across them it could create a pretty decent index in a reasonable amount of time. It's what makes Wikis wonderful! I imagine I could write a sed script or something to convert spreadsheet data to Wiki markup but after working with the stuff a bit I think it's prohibitively complicated for most people and would probably limit the contributions pretty severely. And I definitely agree with your concern for user error, one of the reasons I think having a spreadsheet per parish is better than one big one. At least if one of the parish spreadsheets gets messed up it won't impact the whole thing. IME entry errors are pretty much unavoidable on shared spreadsheets like this but hopefully they can be kept to a minimum. I've done data entry tools for Excel and Libre Calc before but never in Google Docs. That might be an option but it's a bit more sophisticated than I was thinking at this point. It's also been quite awhile since I've done anything like that so I'd be more than a bit rusty...

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I'd love to see this linked to the FamilySearch Wiki when we get a bit further. That will increase the number of interested contributors, and of course the rate of error. : )

Answer 3

Hi Paul, Danielle, Karen, David and others who are interested!

Paul and I were talking about this last week, he shared some of his spreadsheets, and I tweaked some of my own to come up with what I'm thinking might be a good starting point for this project.  (I also "stole" some of the structure and wording from your wiki work, Karen - hope you don't mind!)

Because we want this to be useful for users but ALSO easy for collaborators to add to, I suggested and Paul agreed that a Google Spreadsheet would be an easier document to keep the actual Year Index for each parish.  I have created a Master Parish Index google sheet that then links to each individual parish sheet - and that Master could (and should, once we think it's good enough) be shared here in WikiTree.  Karen - I'd be fine with it being linked to FamilySearch wiki help, if you think that's appropriate there too.

Paul suggested a single google sheet per parish, or per town, instead of one mega-sheet with hundreds of tabs.  Too many tabs slows down the formula calculations to a stand still, and the small size of each individual one makes loading quick and easy.

SO ... here's what I've got to share for now, and I'm hoping you'll take some time having a look at it and providing feedback. (Either here in this conversation, or via the commenting features in the google sheets themselves.)

* The Master Parish Index google sheet has two tabs, one sorted by Town, the other sorted by Parish.  I've used the Town name as it is listed by the Family Search list to make it easy to locate if that's how you're trying find info.  However, where the proper name is noticeably different, I'm fine with adding a duplicate row with that listed for Town (like what I've done for Ancienne-Lorette, as per Family Search, and L'Ancienne-Lorette, as per proper name) - they both point to the same google sheet for the parish of Notre-Dame-de-l'Annociation.  Danielle, thanks for your pointers on resources for proper naming - I've tried to follow your suggestions, let me know if I've misnamed something.

Here's the link to the Master Parish Index google sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Mng07Bk52Ipz6umQkt1Vx4FWmlm11Vtd9xzZ61O8TXw/edit?usp=sharing

* Each individual parish sheet will have a column for Year, and then two columns to give the image # for the first entry of that year in the register, as well as the URL to link directly to that page on FamilySearch.

* Each Year will also have an additional two columns for the image # and URL to go directly to the Index or Repetoire summary of that year's Baptêmes, Sépultures, et Mariages.  (if applicable).

* At the header of each sheet, I've also included a link to a Map (thanks Danielle for that idea!), and also included an "a.k.a" - also known as - entry (often the overly-hyphenated-Family-Search-name-for-the-parish), so users can be assured they're in the right spot.

* The (back) link takes you back to the Master Index sheet.
* The Jump to links allow you to quickly navigate to a year further down

Here's a link to the the sheet for Saint-André
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y7t3Je_m4I5FOHC2jxwHS7Opk25JwLhVd2pSyV31UtY/edit?usp=sharing

HOW DOES THIS WORK ? (you might ask?)

The magic is in the formulas - and I actually make FamilySearch do all the work - I just take advantage of it!  Here's how:

* If you find a page on FamilySearch that corresponds to the beginning of a new year, and you want to add that information to the appropriate Google Sheet, all you have to do is to click on the COPY CITATION button in Family Search (in the Information tab at the bottom of the webpage) - THEN - go to the Google Sheet - find the appropriate cell (column F for StartCitation - and row X for the year in question, then do a simple paste into that cell  - Control+V - or Shift-Control-V - or whatever key combo works).  If everything works as planned, suddenly the appropriate cells in Columns B and C (for start image and URL) should be filled with the right information.

* Same idea for Copy Citation for the first page of a repetoire or index of a year of baptisms, burials and marriages, but this time in Column G for IndexCitation

* By making it easy to just Copy Citation and Paste, I'm hoping that we will get better buy-in to help out with filling out this resource over time.

FEEDBACK WANTED:

* I have created the Google Sheets and the shell for all of the "A" towns from Family Search as well as for the parish of Sainte-Geneviève-de-Batiscan, which is one that many of my ancestors came from, so I already had many of these pages indexed in my own personal collection.

* I have added links to the Acton-Vale, Adamsville and Alma sheets (Saint-André, Saint-Vincent-Ferrier, Saint-Joseph) as well as Sainte-Geneviève-de-Batiscan - thought not all, but enough so you can see how it works.

* HERE are the burning questions I have before going forward:

- Does the current structure of the Master and the individual Parish sheets make sense, and are they easily navigable?

- Is it easy (as I'm hoping) for you to add links for years? (I'd love for you to add some more to see how it works)

- Is the current formatting (especially in the individual Parish sheets) okay - or is there a better way? I'm more functional than aesthetic in my spreadsheet design - but - I'm wondering about changing the colour of the Citation columns so they don't distract from the important links that users care about, but need to be visible for collaborators to easily still add to them.

- I'm wondering about security - and this is something that could be discussed later, once content and form is agreed upon.  It is possible to lock the formulas in columns A-E, only allow data entry in columns F - J. I've added a verification column in case we want to double-check each other's work, and want an easy way to say "Good to go!"

- Finalement, je me demande comment nous devons traduire cet aide en français. Ma langue maternelle est l'anglais, et, je pensais que la plupart de personnes qui a besoin d'aide en cherchant les actes ce sont cieux qui ne peuvent pas lire bien le français.  Ça est pourquoi je l'ai fait en anglais premièrement.  Peut-être je n'ai pas raison? La chose la plus simple serait de faire cet oeuvre bilingue.  Si c'est la meilleure solution, alors, j'ai besoin d'aide en faisant cela.  S'il vous plaît!

Thanks for considering this - Merci a tous!

 - Greg

Comments

I took a look at the sheet for Saint-André
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y7t3Je_m4I5FOHC2jxwHS7Opk25JwLhVd2pSyV31UtY/edit?usp=sharing

You did a very good job. (I didn't add anything)  I think it easy to use.   

It works for me - test with C9 -  opens the correct page

  

EDIT - I add StartCitation and IndexCitation

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Great work Greg! This is much better than anything I'd envisioned. Parsing the citation for the year and link is pure genius and should make it easy for everyone to make accurate contributions to the sheets. I think this can be a tremendous time saving resource that will also help improve the quality of sources for many of the Quebecois profiles on Wikitree.

I like what you did with the Master Parish sheet and think it addresses the issues as well as can be done given what there is to work with. Given the spreadsheet format I'm guessing that there will be multiple rows with the same "Town" name, one for each parish where multiple parishes exist within a given town? I believe Becancour is probably the first such example with three parishes. That way the sheet could be sorted by either "Town" or "Parish" and retain it's structure. Given the complexities of the parish and town names it would be easy for this to get overly complicated pretty quickly. Having said that I'll offer the following suggestions for feedback. As I mentioned earlier my searches typically begin at either PRDH or Familysearch's general search which result in a specific year or small range of years for a given event (birth/baptism, marriage, death/burial) as well as a place. I will then use this information to attempt to locate the actual record in the parish registers. So for me the ideal resource would allow me to search for place names as provided by either PRDH or Familysearch (this is all I know about the place at this point) and would provide the link to the appropriate parish register as well as the proper name that should be used in the Wikitree profile.

To reference my previous example say I've found a baptism record on PRDH at St-Jean-sur-Richeleu (Cathedrale), since there is no equivalent parish at Familysearch I'd ideally be able to search the Master Parish sheet for this place name and come up with a row that links me to the Saint-Jean, Saint-Jean-l'Evangeliste parish record at Familysearch as well as a column that tells me that the proper name for this place on the Wikitree profile is St-Jean-sur-Richelieu and perhaps another column (AKA) that tells me that this place might also be called St-Jean-sur-Richeleu (Cathedrale), St-Jean-l'Évangéliste-de-Dorchester or St-Jean-d'Iberville which may prove helpful in further research. Finally, maybe link to a separate notes page that tells me there is another parish named St-Jean-l'Évangéliste on the east coast not too far from Carleton and that the city of St-Jean-sur-Richelieu has recently shortened its name to St-Jean.

Since I'm pretty sure that none of us individually has both the knowledge and time to complete such a monumental task I think the only option is to provide a format where many people can populate the information in the wiki spirit. I think the existing format that Greg has created is very close to this and the addition of a column for the proper Wikitree name and perhaps a link for notes (or perhaps just adding a comment to the cell in Sheets, though it's a bit more limited. Maybe just linking directly from the text in the actual proper name column) would probably make it as simple and effective as it can be.

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Hi Greg

I add StartCitation and IndexCitation for
Saint-Joseph (Anse-au-Griffon) on ...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14dBI2sTJjTGq5XrYe9G6uaewVOn7Yld3dmv-uhNDzmg/edit#gid=1476450036

It is very-very-very easy to do !!!    
 

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That looks good from a quick glance, obviously you have simply copied the list Paul had to start with, so the towns will eventually all get corrected (like St-Pierre-de-Sorel to Sorel).

Don't know that it really needs translation, other than an explanation in the eventual incorporation of this sheet/s to help page of some sort.

You might want to start doing the older parishes first, since they are the ones that the most people will need.  Québécois project page has a resource page listing the earliest ones here:   https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Quebec_Ressources

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I agree with Danielle, the name of the location is Sorel.

And the location is Sorel, Canada, Nouvelle-France for the years 1666-1763 ... exactly like the Category  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Sorel%2C_Canada%2C_Nouvelle-France

We also can see Sorel aka St-Pierre-de-Sorel (1666) on the map
https://www.prdh-igd.com/fr/Carte/4701

EXAMPLE :  for the children of Paul Hus and Jeanne Baillargeon baptized in Sorel,
https://www.prdh-igd.com/Gratuit/fr/PRDH/Liste/Couple?nh=hus&ph=paul&nf=baillargeon&pf=Jeanne&r=True&pg=1

we have to go to Saint-Pierre-de-Sorel because the priest had written the name of the parish that way ...

 
Paroisse Saint-Pierre-de-Sorel ...
 "Québec, registres paroissiaux catholiques, 1621-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G99Q-QJMG?cc=1321742&wc=HCV7-C68%3A22381401%2C22381402%2C26838503 : 16 July 2014), Saint-Pierre-de-Sorel > Saint-Pierre-de-Sorel > Index 1670-1876 Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1675-1748 > image 4 of 636; Archives Nationales du Quebec (National Archives of Quebec), Montreal.
 

and I think the proposition of Greg Clarke responds to the question of Paul Chisarik: where are the start of a year or the indexes 

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Thank you Danielle for those suggestions.  

Regarding the translation (or lack thereof) - if you or others find it helpful to add / duplicate instructions en français, please feel free to add / modify the spreadsheets.

Good idea about ordering based on age of parish - I hadn't gotten that far ahead in terms of a plan of attack.

Regarding place names:  Yes - you're right - for this initial draft, I stuck with the list as it appeared directly in FamilySearch, as Paul had it.  However, as I go through, I will standardize names.  Because different people may be coming to this resource from different directions, and perhaps sometimes using information with alternate names, my plan is to have multiple entries if the names are far apart. So, for the example given, there would be an entry for Sorel, as it should be, but there would be a duplicate row in the Master Index for Saint-Pierre-de-Sorel - both would point to the exact same Parish spreadsheet of Saint-Pierre (Sorel).

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So shall I add all of you to the Québec team then?  https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Quebec_Team

You are certainly working on a project relevant to this area.

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I'd love to be part of the team!  Thanks Danielle!

 - Greg

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if it's different from the Quebecois Project as I'm already a member there.

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somewhat different, the Québec team covers more than just the period that Québécois project covers, I'll add you then.

Answer 4

About standardizing place names

The suggestions for location names based on Sorel are ... it is not very useful
Sorel, Richelieu, Québec
Sorel, Richelieu, Québec, Canada
Sorel, Sorel-Tracy, Le Bas-Richelieu, Québec
Sorel, Sorel-Tracy, Le Bas-Richelieu, Québec, Canada

and what we can see on Wikitree ... EXAMPLE ...  (before 1760)
https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Surname&s=HUS&cln=0&order=dobup&secondary_order=&layout=table&u=

Sorel, Richelieu Co., Quebec, Canada
Sorel, Canada, Nouvelle-France
Sorel, Richelieu, Québec, Canada
Sorel, Richelieu, Nouvelle France
Sorel, Quebec, Canada
St-Pierre De Sorel, Richelieu, Quebec, Canada
Sorel, Richelieu, Nouvelle-France (Canada)
Sorel, Richelieu, Nouvelle-France
Sorel, Richelieu, Quebec
Sorel, Qc, Canada
Sorel, Richelieu, Canada, Nouvelle-France
Sorel, Richelieu County, Quebec, Canada
Sorel, St-Pierre, Canada, Nouvelle-France
Sorel, Canada
Sorel, Province du Quebec

I think this kind of corrections could be made by EditBot

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For the table of place names, I would certainly not go with all those, Sorel is the city name, and the parish name is St-Pierre de Sorel (or Saurel originally).  we don't include the ''county'' name since those change over time in any case, Some of those other listings are errors, plain and simple.  

Eventually all the correct place name categories that apply over time will get created, which is a long term job to get done.  Sorel-Tracy only dates from 2001, so not really applicable for this table, since records will not be accessible for that period.  We use the name of the location as it was at the time of events.