the Simon Fraser 11th Lord Lovat challenge

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Where might one look to evaluate whether "George Thomas Frazier" was a child of Simon Fraser? (I certainly don't see him on Wikipedia, but then again, that's only a place to start. Also, "The Peerage" shows no George or Thomas: but a total of only three children - with only two of them having issue).

Should I go ahead and disconnect, and then if a proof emerges, they can be  reconnected? It seems at first glance that no evidence exists that "George Thomas Frazier" was a child of Simon Fraser. Although the verbiage and muck makes it hard to see what has been demonstrated (and this is a cleaned up version). Sadly, the vestiges of a whole set of profiles created in this line from Ancestry blather still exist.

While on the Fraser family, are Simon's wives correct on WIkiTree?


(I've added to this query "disproven existence," but it is actually just a case of disproven relationship, with George Thomas Frazier's present parents most likely needing to be separated from him.)

WikiTree profile: George Frazier
asked in Genealogy Help by Fann Fann G2G6 Mach 2 (25.9k points)

3 Answers

+1 vote
Best answer
Yes, we're proving and disproving facts and relationships all the time.  The biggest problems come when people change the data field without adequate sourcing.  Everything in the data field should reflect a sourced statement in the biography.

Once you have a reliable source that gives you a good date of birth, or relationship to a wife or parent or child, that should be enough basis for making the change in the data field.

Disproven Existence is a bigger deal, because you are declaring that the best sources (or absence of reliable sources) lead you to believe that the person himself or herself never even existed.
answered by Jack Day G2G6 Pilot (250k points)
selected by Fann Fann
I thank you for that distinction. I was looking for some flag that noted disputed origins, but the section title is sufficient, I suppose.
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From the source cited on Simon's page, I have removed George Thomas Frazier as a son.

answered by Fann Fann G2G6 Mach 2 (25.9k points)
You need to find a project to protect the profile so the parents aren't re-attached.
Probably Southern Colonies, but I would want to validate the sourcing and streamline further. I previously removed as much of the GEDCOM markup formatting and duplication as I could, but it just doesn't appear project worthy, yet.

Thanks for the recommendation - I will work on this, but the immediate family constellation may have to be worked in order to get sourcing to emerge by matching.
Okay just know that without project protection the parents could easily be re-added.
Ooh, was he a Scottish rebel shipped off to the Colonies after that 1745 battle ? Timing looks right.
+1 vote

I decided to work on the profile that would be the master/parent, to get it in top shape for protecting it. 

It's amazing how GEDCOM imports can affect a whole sequence of "related" persons. Anyway, the discussion on a new challenge is here:

Lord Fraser of Lovat and his spouses

Among the jumble that the Ancestry basis left was a title of a work that is interesting on this line: 

MacKenzie, Alexander. History of the Frasers of Lovat : with genealogies of the principal families of the name : to which is added those of Dunballoch and Phopachy: Chapter XVIII: Simon, Thirteenth Lord. 1896, p. 247-486. Inverness: A & W MacKenzie. CAUTION: Note that the text refers to him as Simon, 13th Lord Fraser, but indeed, he is the son of Thomas (12th Lord Fraser).

answered by Fann Fann G2G6 Mach 2 (25.9k points)

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