Why does my cousin continue to dispute the parents of Abimilech Pate?

Question

His War of 1812 service record clearly states his birth year and birth place. Also, there is a census record  for Charles Pate in the 1800 census for Robeson County,North Carolina that lists a son under the age of ten. If she wants to deny it, don't keep the rest of the family from knowing.

Answer 1

Charles Pate's will is what's disputing it. He has three sons in the census records. He names three sons in his will. The three sons are John, Charles, and Zachery. That is a documented fact that can't be disputed. Charles Pate of Robeson County, NC did not have a son named Abimelec.

I haven't seen any evidence for his place of birth but I have seen plenty of evidence that he isn't the son of Charles Pate of Robeson County no matter how much you may want it to be so.

Comments

His service record. Nowhere does it give his date of birth or his place of birth. Also, he lived in Georgia and later Alabama, there is no evidence of him being in NC.

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Have you followed John , Charles and Zachariah?

There's plenty of reasons why someone isn't mentioned in their Father's Will (It helps if they are) The obvious ones are Child died before Parent and family Feud but there's others.

The Child was already 'borrowed' money, The child is more financially stable.

Have ALL the possible Fathers been looked at and eliminated?

Family names Abimilec doesn't seem a common name , but might be in the area - Does this name appear in any other Pate Genealogy or with connected Families

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Heather, the census records show Charles with three sons. Three sons are named in his will. This person is not the son of Charles Pate of Robeson County. This man lived in Georgia and later Alabama. There is zero evidence that he was born in Norrh Carolina.

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I found something that Kelly Hardcastle put online. In it, she indicated that Abimilec Pate was born 1790 in Robeson County, North Carolina.

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That isn’t a record. It is user submitted. There is NO evidence to support this place of birth and very solid evidence that he is not the son of Charles Pate.

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Deb, he is the brother to this Charles Pate. You have to remember that there are multiple people named Charles Pate in this family.

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Charles Pate had grown children and grandchildren that are named in his will in 1824. You cannot have it both ways, Howard. You claim he and his brother were both born around 1790 so that just doesn't wash. This is the Charles Pate who was born in 1755 married to Phoebe Humphries (who he names in this will as his wife) and had married children and grandchildren in 1824 and whom you are trying to connect as his father.

There is only so much one can do to point out the problems associated with a supposed connection. If someone is simply unwilling to accept the obvious, it becomes pointless and is exactly the reason there are so many fake lineages on the internet.

I hope in the end you make the right choices about what to add to our shared tree and what constitutes a valid source. We have all struggled with these things and come to roadblocks on our journeys and I understand your frustration.

Good luck to you, Howard.

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Just send me a private email that is not connected with Wikitree. I will share with you what I found. Then, you can take it with a grain of salt .

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I have been researching Pates for awhile and still don’t know much. But looking at the service record I noted that Abecimeci, Abe for short, cause I have seen numerous spellings of his name, lived 15 miles from Camp Hope which is located near Fort Hawkins, which is in Macon. Betting y’all know this already.  

I haven’t researched yet the communities or counties that may fall in the 15 miles circle but plan to soon.

My Pates, proven by DNA, are the Goshen Church Pates of Lincoln county, Ga, James, Sr; Charles Raborn and wife Milly, James, Jr; William died1844 in Henry county, his daughter, Rebecca; James, Sr’s daughter, Pheobe who was churched for “bastardly conduct”. Most of these Pates migrated from Lancaster, Camden District, SC with many born in the PeeDee river area of SC or up river in NC ( Anson, old Dobbs, Wayne, Greene, & other counties). They are from Edenton, Bertie or Chowan county in Northern NC AND descendants of Throughgood Pate d1713 in Edenton per our DNA Results at Family tree DNA.

My gggrandfather Frank William Pate was born in 1790 in Lancaster county, SC, to a Thomas Pate? I failed to find any evidence of him in Ga or Tuscaloosa, Al where many of the Fayetteville Pates(Goshen Pates) moved to by 1810. My Frank shows up in Adams & Amite county, Miss shortly after the War of 1812.  He married ElizabethGarlington in Amite county in 1815.

Here is where I may muddy your water! Frank’s grandfather is likely John Pate. Or is it Abe? John.  I have seen and bet you have to, that John’s name included Abe?

Any help would be appreciated? By the way, I don’t think that facts exist or survived the courthouse fires and record losses due to calamities to clearly establish the relationships your argument seems to be about! MHO!

Back to the circle around Macon.  I will get back with info soon as possible! Got hogs to catch and a garden to finish planting.

Mike Pate

Answer 2

The only service record I can find for Abimilec Pate in the War of 1812  shows only his rank of Private and his unit, 3rd regiment, (Wimberly's) Georgia Militia.  There is no place of birth or birth year listed on this military record.

What War of 1812 service record did you find which clearly states his birth year and place of birth?

Edited to add.

If you are referring to the data that was listed in this other message

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/775097/could-abimelec-pate-have-possibly-been-born-north-carolina

That is not his service record. It is merely user submitted information with no source.