Children of John Barnard Lord Mayor of London

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Sir John Barnard of Greenwood (c.1685–1764), MP for the City of London and Lord Mayor of London 1737 married on 5 October 1708 Jane (d. 1738), the younger daughter of John Godschall. His only son was, John Barnard (1709–1784), and two daughters, Sarah who married Alderman Sir Thomas Hankey and Jane (d. 28 Jan 1789) who m. Hon Henry Temple and was the mother of Henry Temple, 2nd Viscount Palmerston. 

This contrasts with the "pedigree" sourced in his son's profile John Barnard of Georgia  from rootsweb, which lists none of his legitimate heirs.

Sir John Barnard never married a Elizabeth Hall so I disconnected her. But we're left with what to do with the John Barnard of Georgia who is not the same person as his legitimate son and heir but conveniently shares his name.

I personally doubt this is a real connection please take the time to add reputable sources. Thank you!

WikiTree profile: John Barnard
in Genealogy Help by Kirk Hess G2G6 Mach 6 (63.6k points)
edited by Kirk Hess

Looks like the "wife" could be this one.  Married a different John Barnard

No kids, but he had some by his 1st wife.  But all 4 sons died vp.

Dates way off.

So these two profiles: Elizabeth (Hall) Barnard & Sir John Bernard. He has no parents, I'll see if I can find them.

History of Parliament and the VCH history for Abington has his surname as 'Bernard' & he was part of an old gentry family. He sold the manor  in 1669 to William Thursby for £13,750. Not clear if any of his daughters survived.

Surprised this phrase made in the published edition instead of "William Shakespeare's granddaughter" -> "a second marriage to a Warwickshire heiress whose grandfather had made a fortune on and by the stage." 

His father I think was Baldwin Bernard (Barnard)  (d. 1610), who is apparently another Bernard turned in to Barnard:

The Bernards of Abington and Nether Winchendon Chapter III goes through this family in detail, apparently Elizabeth was 40 when they married and she never had any children by either husband.

Baldwin Bernard's father Francis has a descent from Henry II, and several descendants of colonial interest (though Benjamin Harrison might be on the questionable list).  You can see why the Georgia descendants would have headed that way.  The Lord Mayor might have been finagled in just to fill the gap in the dates.

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Should the Rootsweb link actually be considered a source, it links to a family tree? Should it not be under ‘see also’?
by Marion Poole G2G Astronaut (1.1m points)

I should have clarified that link is in the sources section of the profile for John Barnard of Georgia.

Why would you want to put something that is not useful under a heading like  "see also", when you really are not recommending that people see it?

This Rootsweb link is also the only source (as in: origin of the data) on the profile of Elizabeth Hall.

And Jack - oh, Jack! If this connection between John Barnard mayor of London and John Barnard of Georgia is ever disproven (and severed), we certainly need to document the legendary connection, complete with links to where the error may have come from. Of course, a simple link under "see also"  would not achieve this.

I cannot believe I'm telling this to you ;-)

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Here is what the History of Parliament Online has to say about John's family, which lacks the names of the daughters, or his son. 

Family and Education

b. c.1685, 1st s. of John Barnard, citizen (glover) and merchant of London, of George Lane, St. Botolph’s by Sarah, da. of Robert Payne of Play Hatch, Sonning, Berks. educ.Wandsworth sch. for Quakers. m. 5 Oct. 1708, Jane, da. of John Godschall, Turkey merchant, sis. of Sir Robert Godschall, 1s. 2da. Kntd. 29 Sept. 1732.

I located his Memoirs on Google. That states that "Sarah, the eldest married Henry Temple, the Banker. {son of Viscount Palmerston{p 29) This edition is Prefaced by his great-grandson Thomas Hankey who claims that the son died "early and unmarried." No wonder there is confusion! He says that the eldest daughter (unnamed) married Sir Thomas Hankey.; and the youngest, also unnamed, married Mr. Temple, a son of Viscount Palmerston. (Preface to 1885 edition, p iv) 

Memoirs of the Late Sir John Barnard, Knt. and Alderman of the City of London: Together with Notes Furnished by Mr. Overall, Librarian to the City of London Guildhall Library

by Doris Miller G2G6 (8.6k points)

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