Advice before adding father of this pre-1700 Groot profile?

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I can add a father to the profile of Lysbet Groot. This is who I can add:

  • Symon Symonse de Groot

These are the sources I am using:

  • page 13 of Dutch Uncles and New England Cousins: Historical Sketches of New York and New England During Three Hundred Fifty Years as Illustrated by Some of America's Earliest Families
  • Wilson Ober Clough
  • Polyanthos, 1977 - Dutch Americans - 196 pages

Should I contact one of the pre-1700 projects or know about any style guidelines before proceeding? Thank you!

WikiTree profile: Lysbet Groot
in Genealogy Help by Rebecca Evans G2G2 (2.4k points)
recategorized by Ellen Smith

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Hi, Rebecca.

As others have said, it does look like there might have been two different women named Lysbet Groot  who married men named Jan Buys: (1) the daughter of Symon Symonse in Schenectady, married to Jan Janse Buys, and (2) this woman in Tarrytown, married to Jan Cornelise Buys. Or maybe there was only the one couple. Records are scarce. If we document every reliably sourced bit of information we have about these people (in the profile(s) that appear to correspond to the information we have), we may be able to figure out whether they are one person or two. To get this started, I did this for the baptism records of the two daughters connected to the Lysbet Groot of Kingston/Tarrytown. Details like the precise name spellings that appear in the record and the names of baptism witnesses sometimes turn out to be the best clues we have for associating people with their family group (because babies were named for their grandparents according to a standard sequence and because close family typically witnessed baptisms, particularly for the older children).

It would be great to get these families sorted out!

I'm not familiar with the sources you are using. They sound like secondary sources -- a category that can range in quality from dreadful to excellent. To the extent possible, we try to use primary sources, such as church records, as people can be driven far astray when we allow ourselves to be guided by secondary sources.

And please don't create any more profiles for Symon Symonse Groot -- he's already had at least 7 profiles created (and merged).

PS - For future reference, as a member of the project, you shouldn't need to be asking what project to contact about a New Netherland profile. To start a general genealogy question about a New Netherland person, you'll get better results if you use the ASK QUESTION link under "Collaboration" on the right-hand side of the profile, and be sure to include the New_Netherland tag (instead of the tags that are intended to help people find a project).

by Ellen Smith G2G Astronaut (1.5m points)
selected by Rebecca Evans

Ah, I see that Dutch Uncles and New England Cousins: Historical Sketches of New York and New England During Three Hundred Fifty Years as Illustrated by Some of America's Earliest Families is one book by Wilson Ober  Clough, published by Polyanthos in 1977.

Maybe other members are familiar with that book and can advise on its quality.  Also, please look at the evaluation criteria discussed at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:New_Netherland_Settlers_Project_Reliable_Sources#Secondary_Sources_to_Use_With_Caution

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You should contact the project for that profile.

There's also a comment there about a common error which you appear to be repeating.
by Stu Ward G2G6 Pilot (139k points)
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by Living Poole G2G Astronaut (1.3m points)

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