Recived YFull analysis and went from G-Z30503 to G-Z30503*, my Y-chromosome is so lonely.

Question

    Not really a question but I am totally open to any advice or random thoughts anyone may have on this situation.

   So, I received my FTDNA BIG Y 700 test results back at the beginning of March and was designated as G-Z30503 with zero Y-DNA matches on FTDNA.

   At the suggestion of a G-Uncategorized&Root FTDNA group co-admin I uploaded my raw BIG Y 700 data file to YFull for further analysis. Well – I just received my YFull analysis today and I went from G-Z30503 to G-Z30503*

   Meaning… I am a MUTANT…. Not quite – No one else has tested yet that is in the G-Z30503 subclade that has similar mutations that would match up with my sample. If and when someone similar does test we will most likely be placed in a new terminal subclade of G-Z30503. My mom always said I was special – I guess I can thank my dad for that!

   As you can see in the screenshot below of my current placement in the YTree, I along with a Russian sample are both in limbo as to an exact designation. I know that G-Z30503 is rather uncommon so this is going to be a long...LONG... wait. I need to tell the Russian to break out the Vodka so we can do some shots while we are waiting! I wonder how common it is for someone to end up in a pending status like this?

   On a side note - When I was a kid my teachers said they did not know what to do with me and now the DNA experts are coming to the same conclusion!

   Now from a Y-DNA confirmation standpoint I am thinking this is really good news. Correct me if I am wrong as I am thinking that whatever terminal subclade I end up in will probably be restricted to the area in Sicily that it had been simmering away in for the last millennia and might even be restricted to the Guzzetta surname. I already know of a few unconnected, to my direct line that is, Guzzetta branches from the same town in Sicily that mine comes from and auDNA tests are coming back as really distant matches. Now…Distant Cousin’s – if you are reading this, Its time to do the test and settle this once and for all!

   Well that's my Y-DNA rant, just wanted to “put it out there”. Hope everyone is having a pleasant weekend.

Comments

I feel your pain, Mike. The MRCA for my closest Big-Y relative is about 3,000 years ago. My paternal line is English and the MRCA is also thought to be English, so I can't blame a paucity of testers. A positive message - the addition of '*' means extra special ;)

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Hi Chris, I think it is actually becoming more common to have these (*) going on as more people are testing. Especially from regions that had been slow to do DNA testing now starting to jump on the bandwagon. The DNA experts are getting all this new data over the last few years and its still a growing industry, It must be like DNA Christmas for them. The unusual thing about the G-Z30503 is that it is thinly spread out over a large area with the majority being in the fertile crescent down to India. Then you have some outliers like mine with origins in Sicily and the Russian that is in the region of Tatarstan.

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We can assume there will have been many more outliers, but most of those will be extinct and won't be discovered from living testers.

They'd get a much more complete picture by collecting data from dead people.  A tree built from living people is really just a map of the random survivals.

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So true - It's like "The Game of Thrones" of DNA.

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Mike, think of it this way - you're the next level of improvement in the species, in line with Darwin's theory.

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Or the next big mistake? 

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in  23and me my paternal gen is G-Z30503 my fader is macedonian origin this gen i find in Kalas people who is solder of Macedonian Imperium of Aleksandar Makedonski who is not mixed with another people in 2000 years  my mother gen is H

Answer 1

Sicilian Guzzettas whose STRs match yours will presumably have the same haplogroup, so the distant cousins needn't do the expensive test.  A Y-37 should be indicative enough.

That would establish whether the haplogroup was in Italy before surnames, and the first Guzzetta had it, or whether it snuck into your particular line through some accident in more recent times.

Which is probably about as far as this will go, for now.

One question is whether the surname originated in Sicily or migrated from Italy, and if so, when.

Comments

Hi RJ, Thanks for your insights, I would hope that in the future that as a few distant cousins test and we can confirm it being the Y subclade for the family that doing these less expensive tests for confirmation that they are at least in the G group will be more feasible and less costly for them. The only drawback is that even a Y-64 only got me to the G-M201 designation way up the tree. Now ironically my 23&me test put me in the G-Z30503 but I do not know if that was just an anomaly that they did such a precise determination. If I could get people to do a cheaper 23&me test and be able to use that Y designation from them that would be really cool.

Now the origin of the Guzzetta surname is a whole other bucket of questions. At this point its all speculation.

* Some have said it may be of Sephardic Jewish origin: I think people are coming to this conclusion due to a Wikipedia article that states “Guzzetta is the altered name Achuzzath, a Hebrew word that means "possession, property, estate" and that a neighborhood in Palermo is called Guzzetta. I really do not know how much trust to put in this but acknowledge it is plausible. The only thing swaying me away from this conclusion is most of my DNA matches and mine are showing little to no signs that we may have any ancestry from regions that most people with Sephardic ancestry have.

* Some think it might be an Albanian connection going back to the 1400’s when a bunch of Albanians migrated to Sicily: Possible, Their are Guzzetta’s from Piana degli Albanesi, a town founded by Albanians in the 1400’s and its not far from Valledolmo the town my Guzzetta branch hails from. But again, most of my DNA matches and mine are showing little to no Balkan or Greek origins that you would normally associate with that.

* Ancestry.com has a listing that states “Guzzetta - Italian: feminine variant of Guzzetto, a pet form of Guzzo. The feminine form is no doubt due to the influence of the Italian word famiglia ‘family’.” Not very helpful, and its Ancestrey.com, I take everything I find on that site with a healthy dose of skepticism.

* Someone also has mentioned near Enna their is castle Guzzetta? To this day have not found anything to support this.

* Some website, Sicily – Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, has a page called SICILY/naples: counts & kings. In has a brief blurb stating “The monk Conrad´s Brevis Chronica records that in 1076 "Ugo de Guzzetta, capitaneus Cataniæ et gener comitis" was killed by the Saracens "in Mortelletto Cataniæ"” Using Google translate it states - Ugo de Guzzetta, leader and son of the Earl Catanii – I honestly do not know what to make of that.

So as you can see – Not much to work with on the Guzzetta name – Its mostly speculation.

Answer 2

My husband is a G-Z30503. His family is from Iran. He's got 3rd cousin match in 23andMe with the same Y haplogroup, also from Iran (actually the same town)

Comments

Its quite possible that he may fit in with one of the more refined haplogroups. If he is really interested in finding out more he may want to look into doing a Big Y from FTDNA.

It is interesting how G-Z30503 and its refined haplogroups have all these small pockets scattered around that have managed to survive to this day.

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Interesting. I am Iranian and my haplogroup y is G-Z30503. and the maternal haplogroup is K1a4 . We are from the southwest of Iran.

Answer 3

Mike; you could test some of the unconnected Guzzettas for Z30503 at Yseq for 18 $. If they are derived, go on and test for some of your private SNP's. If they are derived for those, then the Guzzetta´s must be connected and have been in Sicily before Giacomo Guzzetta

I did the same with a different Selmer line in Denmark this year and after I found him derived for a couple of my private SNP's I paid for a BigY. Now we have a new I-Y47236 and waiting for the age estimation at Yfull.

Answer 4

Hi cousin,

I made the same "what the heck" discovery a few months ago as well. Although I haven't done the full Y sequencing yet, myself and a few cousins tested positive for Z30503 on 23 and Me. Our lineage is Irish going back at least 200 years, and you're the only other European I've ever heard of with the marker. Maybe when I do the Y-700 and Y Full they can make a subclade out of us. Maybe.