ONe of many Brick Walls

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Long winded, detailed version:

So other places in the past have really been no help. Not even a bite on this one of many brck walls. It is as if it is Cursed, or poisoned. But, here goes.


Earl Edwin Arms:

Born 14 aug 1894. Elk City, OK (per WWI draft registraion)

Born c1895. TX (Per 1920 US Census)

Resided in Stockton, San Joaquin County, CA in 1917 (per WWI draft)

Resided in Pocatello, Bannock County, ID (per 1920 US Census)

Son Born 1917 (Leroy W. Arms, alt Leroy Thorp(e)). Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, CA

Daughter Born 1918 (Gladys E. M. Arms). Oakland, Alameda County, CA.

Mother of Both Children:

Edna M. Cooper:

Born 5 feb 1895, simcoe, Ontario, Canada (Ontario Birth records, 1901 Canadian Census)

(She may also have been just shy of honest, ad she adjusted her birth a few years up to 1898 per the 1920 US Census, and 1900 in the 1930 U.S. Census)

Married Earl c 1916

Married again c or b 1927 to Harry Thorpe in Stockton, Ca, having 2 more children

Married again after 1930 or 1940 to Thomas Carrington, with the first name Of Sandy E.


From what I have seen in the 2 sources, Earl was a Vagabond of sorts, and possibly not all-together truthful. But the locations line up with what I remember my Grandmother mentioned in many stories she told when she was alive.

Also of note, Elk City was not established until later, per a wiki article:,_Oklahoma

and Greer County itself was disputed for a while

"17 miles NEE outisde of Greer County (texas-US disputed territoy).

Per John Melish's map

Greer County, created by the Texas legislature on February 8, 1860.

The dispute arose from a map submitted with the Adams-Onís Treaty of 1819. The treaty  stated that the boundary between the French claims on the north and the Spanish claims on the south was Rio Roxo de Natchitoches (Red River) until it reached the 100th meridian west as noted on John Melish's map published in 1818. The problem was that the 100th meridian on the Melish map was some 90 miles east of the true 100th meridian and the Red River forked about 50 miles east of the 100th meridian. Texas claimed the land south of the North Fork and the United States claimed the land north of the South Fork (later called the Prairie Dog Town Fork Red River).

The dispute resulted in a lawsuit, which, eventually wound up before the Supreme Court—no lower court having jurisdiction. The Court's opinion, in United States v. State of Texas 162 U.S. 1 (1896), issued on March 16, held that the land of some 1.5 million acres (6070 km²/2345 mi²) belonged to the United States. Following that ruling, on May 4, 1896, the land was officially assigned by Congress to Oklahoma Territory.

When Oklahoma became the 46th U.S. state (November 16, 1907), old "Greer County" was divided into Greer, Jackson, and part of Beckham counties. Harmon was created May 22, 1909 by a vote of the people from a portion of Greer County, Oklahoma."


Anyone have ideas where to go from here? This branch has haunted me since I first hit the wall. Elk City has no reacords that old, since it did not even exist.

in Genealogy Help by S Donovan G2G Crew (650 points)
I can't help you with your query, but I have started a:


which can be added to a profile which represents a Brick Wall in your research. Just cut and paste it to the Biography section of the profle concerned and it will join others that people may like to help solve. There are many WikiTreers who enjoy a challenge and this is just another way to let people find some mystery to solve.

Make sure you add an explanation (inthe Biography section) of why the Brick Wall exists for the profile.
There already exists a (perhaps not perfectly named) brick wall category at Category:Family Brickwall.

1 Answer

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have you checked the records for Jackson and Beckham County?
by Mary H. G2G6 Mach 7 (78.4k points)
neither county existed at that time, 13 years before actually. i have little hope that there were "recorded" births in unorganized territory. I am surmising, his parents may have been part of the cattle drives or "migrant" hands. I would realy like to find him in the 1900 and 1910 census. My seraches the past 10 years have come up blank.
oh well, I tried! :)

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