Shouldn't a Google Knowledge Panel establish notability?

Question

Sometimes Wikipedia's Moderators decide that someone such as my wife, Libertad Green, isn't notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article, but Google finds her notable enough to publish a Google Knowledge Panel for her, which appears in the upper right corner of your browser where the Wikipedia article would go if she had one, when you Google "libertad green." BTW, a thumbnail of her has been among the first hits returned when you Google "hawaiian hula" since 2011, with a link to her Hawaiian hula dance vudeo, which has about 2 or 3 million views. She also has almost 100 credits on IMDb.

Answer 1

Google Knowledge is just an indexing system. It doesn't establish notability.

Knowledge Panel

However, an IMDb profile probably does. :)

Comments

No, of course Google Knowledge Panels don't establish notability; that's why when I Google "rob judd," I don't get a Knowledge Panel - just a row of thumbnails of portraits of average white guys like you, but when I Google "robert judd," I get a Knowledge Panel about a certain black man who is an actor.

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my personal opinion doesn't matter here, but Anonymous Vaughan I agree with you.  I think the use of ONLY Wikipedia is not only lacking in fundemental knowledge of who is or should be notable, but it being the ONLY Use in here means many who ARE Notable are literally left hidden within the mass Wikitree unless someone searches them by name and finds them among the many others who may share the same or similar name.  I had mentioned a son of someone Very Very Famous- this son, had Notarity in his own right.. BUT because noone on Wikipedia deamed him notable.. the notable tagged was refused for him.  I gave up the arguement.

Then more recently I stumbled on one of my own lines of another "royal" I think a cousin could of been another gr.mother don't remember, anyway, as I was reading thru the page, I noticed a comment at the bottom of the page, telling the person who created the page or the person who put Nobility or Notable on the page (again, don't remember which) but.. the jist was.. "remove the tag because only people who are working with the project are allowed to use the tag on profiles within the project.  Again.. another "spot" of just .. disbelief at how decisions are being made.  It appears this isn't about a person, their accomplishments or how or if they are well known.. tis about what wikipedia says or a wikitree project deams correct.  (no offense to anyone here intended..just my honest observation) projects have rules, I just don't happen to agree with most of them.

If I were you, I would honestly create your personal genealogical collections including you wife as you like in any manner you deam appropriate and correct and place that form either within your personal offline collections for your personal family members & consider downloading the full tree where you can place all your info, and any Notable info you choose on her profiles and yours. 

I'm creating family here hopefully it will be here for generations.. but backups elsewhere are always better and hard-copies are best for future generations.  I could die tomorrow, if my family doesn't come in and take over my lines, who knows what could happen to my work.  Or I could cauz a rucas that gets me booted ( I try not too but one never know these days), how others will take words, so nothing is impossible. 

sorry I ramble too much.. I agree with Anonymous Vaughan, someone with 1 or 2 million viewers is clearly notable these days online.. too bad wikitree doesn't have an ONLINE NOTABLES Catagory.. really should.  Maybe you should start a convo about starting this Catagory & project.  just a thought

edited to correct typos

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Arora, anyone can place the sticker or project box on any profile but it could be removed if the profile does not fit the project requirements. The statement "remove the tag because only people who are working with the project are allowed to use the tag on profiles within the project." is just not true. see my answer and check out the project page for the real facts.

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Anonymous, you answered your own question with the line "No, of course Google Knowledge Panels don't establish notability" so just why would you think it would be a good standard for the project to use. Wikipedia is not the only standard, just the easiest to use, but you could request that the project make a decision about a profile for someone who you think should be listed as notable if that person has no other sources that are accepted. Just be warned that it is a case by case ruling and you could be turned down.

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the use of word>" tag".. "wrong word" thank you..  by what I said.. with need to change one word... ignore all I said...for it simply.. as I stated at the beginning of my post.. "my personal opinion doesn't matter here" and now it appears what I actually see and did read on a profile is my imagination.. "because I've been informed publicly..it is not true" because the rules say otherwise.  I stand corrected, please ignore my post.. but I will say again. I agree with Anonymous Vaughon-  & if I could point out the page it is on, I would..except that too would be in violation of rules since it would then point to the one who posted it in the comment on the profile.. which is not allowed.  Thank you for correcting my terminology.. & this is now outside scope of convo.. so leaving now.

Answer 2

Wikipedia is not the only way to qualify as a Notable. See the page at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Notables for all of the information but the following would also qualify someone to have the project sticker or project box placed on their profile.

Resources

None of these sites count as primary sources, and should all be listed under "See also:" on the profile of anybody who has an entry in any of them.

• Wikipedia: Having a Wikipedia entry automatically qualifies somebody as being Notable, although lacking a Wikipedia entry does not automatically mean that they are not notable, as they may still be listed in some other resource. In particular, Wikimedia Commons is a good source for public domain photos of notables.
• Dictionary of Canadian Biography: One place to look for information on Canadian Notables.
• Dictionary of National Biography: Having an entry in the Dictionary of National Biography also qualifies somebody as being Notable.
• A Naval Biographical Dictionary: Published in 1849, it includes every living officer in the Royal Navy from Lieutenant to Admiral of the Fleet at the time of compilation.
• ThePeerage.com: an ongoing project to list and connect everybody in the British Peerage.

Answer 3

The whole issue of discussing a living person's notability for purposes of WikiTree is bizarre, since (1) the profiles of non-member living persons are not publicly viewable and (2) notability of a living person is not relevant to genealogy. The notability category was not designed for touting the notability of a living person - eg a member's living relatives.

Answer 4

I find it ridiculous that with a "one giant tree" motto, and the air of inclusiveness, we have created a hierarchy of who is more important than another, more valuable, should have more resources pining away to compete for attention. This approach creates stratification among profiles and attaches more meaning to someone who has a web presence than someone who spent their life in the service of others in the shadows. It's all subjective.

Comments

Shanna, The Notables project is simply a way for us to keep track of profiles for those deemed Notable. Those profiles are no more important than any other profile but rather the project keeps track of them so that we do not have duplicates created by those who would do so in their desire to memorialize them. That means we use less resources than if they were not placed in a category so that we can find them easier.

Edited to correct spelling