Can any one identify the source of this chapter by Horace Round?

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I came across a set of early Trotter profiles that appeared to me to lack substance. Within a couple of generations one member becomes a PGM emigrant. However, according to a note from Anne B , this Trotter is not listed in the Great Migration directory.

 In trying to find something about  them and  after searching through a quagmire of unsourced trees on Ancestry, I found that the source for the family at least (though not necessarily the migrant) probably derives from Burke.The 'fact' that Byers Green Hall has been the home of the Trotter family since the 15th century is attested to on wikipedia!

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byers_Green

 Then I found this debunking chapter which was apparently written by the historian  J Horace Round. If true and Round is considered to be a good historian, It seems probable that there is a great deal of fiction in this pedigree.

http://fmg.ac/phocadownload/userupload/scanned-sources/tgb/Vol11-PDFs/s-3964.pdf

 However, I only have the chapter; to be an adequate source I really need to be able to find and cite the original book.

( addenda The wikipedia article cites

 http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~trotter/genealogy/trotter_of_byers_green_hall.htm 

which comes from Burkes and has even 19th C Trotters of  Byers Green Hall . Round looked at Kelly's directory for 1890 and found no Byers Green Hall and no Trotters. He couldn't use the census. I can and  none of the 'illustrious' family from the pedigree that I looked for could be found in Byers Green. There was  a family of Trotters, in Byers Green 1891 but they lived in Back Lane,  John Trotter was miner and he had been born elsewhere in Durham)

(just tidying up question which looked messy after edits)

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by RJ Horace G2G6 Pilot (519k points)
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Thank you. I thought you might be able to find it
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Horace was clearly competent, if combative!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Horace_Round

by Stephen Trueblood G2G6 Mach 3 (32.1k points)
I think that Round must have been amongst the first to study for a degree in history. (if I remember rightly it wasn't until about the 1870s that Universities offered the first British degrees in history) He's known for moving on the study of local history from the realms of the amateur antiquarian which was variable and not always well founded. ( through  work on the Victoria County Histories) Nevertheless his was still a history that focused upon a very small elite hence his concern with the accuracy of  pedigrees and the descent of the manor.
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It's also worth pointing out that the 'Old Hall' on Victorian Maps was a bit smaller than the Rectory in the village.  It was not a grand country seat and was actually a subset of the Old Hall Farm next door.  But it is still there today: https://www.welcomecottages.com/cottages/old-hall-cottages-1-old-hall-cottage-30417

by Stephen Trueblood G2G6 Mach 3 (32.1k points)

 Round seems to have missed this Hall in his check of the 1890 directory. There were no Trotters living there but there was a Joseph Robinson, Butcher and farmer  Kellys Directory,Durham , 1890

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