Cannot work out who this was meant to be.

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According to the changes on son, James, this profile was entered as Baldwin IX of Flanders (Emperor of Constantinople) who indeed died in 1205 but not in Scotland. Baldwin IX was son of Baldwin VIII, not Knut. Can Knut have been meant to be Knut IV of Denmark, father of Charles of Flanders? Wouldn't much matter except that this profile is said to be descended from David Earl of Huntingdon. The two sons James had been sitting as an unmerged match for 4 years. Tried to get them merged but the merge was again postponed on the grounds of dates. Can't say it too loudly, "Unsourced dates that arrived on a Gedcom in 2011 are probably meaningless."
WikiTree profile: Baldwin the Fleming
in Genealogy Help by C. Mackinnon G2G6 Pilot (335k points)

Douglas

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/ecco/004896980.0001.000/1:252?rgn=div1;submit=Go;subview=detail;type=simple;view=fulltext;q1=fleming

starts the continuous line with Sir Malcolm.  He says there were several Flemings around earlier, but he can't connect them.

A Baldwin is the earliest he could find, witnessing a deed.  Of course he doesn't try to claim that this Baldwin was actually a Count, but that doesn't stop the internet.

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There was a Baldwin Fleming who witnessed a charter (as Baldewino Flam') confirming the election of Arnold as abbot of Kelso, dated to 1147-1151.  See in People of Medieval Scotland (POMS) database.

He is also in The Scots Peerage, Vol. 8, p. 519-20 as the ancestor of the Fleming of Biggar family but there appears to be no evidence for this nor any evidence that these early members of the family were connected.

Interestingly there is no James Fleming mentioned in a list of those with the surname Fleming in POMS and I have this vague idea that the first name James didn't appear in Scotland until later, but I could be wrong about that.  However James as a son of Baldwin seems to have no basis in any source of the period.

by John Atkinson G2G6 Pilot (619k points)
I agree about the name James. Could be Jordanus as the source provided by RJ.

There is a Jordan Fleming in POMS who is a witness to a charter dated 1165-1178 and a grantor in another charter undated but nothing to indicate he is the son of Baldwin.

I think most of these early connections are based on the same name but presumably Fleming was pretty common as a surname given it basically meant from Flanders.

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