Randolph, thank you for your comment. No, I did not mix them up. Yes, he was unkindly and historically titled "William the Bastard;" however, more accurately AKA Guillaume (Normandie) de Normandie with the inherited title of Duke. He and his 'bastard' sister, Adelaise (Normandie) de Lens (another ancestor of mine through a different ancestral line who connects our family with Charlemagne) were the children of the Duke Robert of Normandy I (Robert the Magnificent) and his mistress, Herleva (Falaise) de Mortain. Herleva's father was believed to be a tanner of some wealth. (I didn't list titles and details as it was 3am and just came off a 3-day Clean-a-thon', but what I wrote was accurate). Both William and his sister, Adelais, were quite young when Duke William I left for the Crusades and died around age 35 in Nicaea. If you would like more information about William the Bastard, there is an outstanding Wikitree for William I the Conqueror at (Normandie-32). Thank you again for your comment. Carol (Baldwin-3428)