Brick Wall - Mary Johns of Pembrokeshire

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My GG grandmother Mary Johns (or John) born about 1845 came from Pembrokeshire but married a chap from Sussex called David Bates. They spent most of their lives in Sussex, but briefly lived in Glamorganshire, where he worked in the mines. Her Father was called Thomas. She had two children : Sarah & Alfred.  After her marriage & post-1881, on different censuses she puts her birthplace as either - Llawhaden, Narberth, Pembrokeshire or South Wales.  However, on the 1851, 1861, 1871 censuses I have a selection of people for each census which could be her. I have been stuck for several years on this. This is also hindered by the fact that I suspect the surname should be John, although written as Johns on the marriage certificate. Grrr.
in Genealogy Help by Paula Kerswell G2G Crew (740 points)

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Not having much success either.. Cannot find  any marriage to David Bates.

All my reords show Mary John, Born 1845 Pembrokeshire.Father Thomas born1802 Mother Sarah born 1811.

In the 1851 census age 6 she lived in Aberdare Glamorgan.She died 1881 in Casheston. All records i have seen say the name is John.

Sorry I cannot  be of more help.

                                                     phyllis Howe
by Phyllis Adamson G2G2 (3.0k points)
Thanks for trying to help, but this is the problem I have with it being such a common name. My Mary Johns did not die in 1881, I know where she was in the 1881, 1891, 1901, and 1911 censuses. I have her marriage certificate so I know she married David Bates and the marriage is on FreeBMD.

I need to have a different source to identify other family members, and I can't think of anything. Any help appreciated.
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1881-1891-1911 Census all have her born Penbrokeshire,Wales.All records show

Johns. I will see what i find in Wales.They were married in 1874,so 1851-1861-1871

census does not apply.So just dismiss those.
by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (915k points)
Thank you for your comments.

However, I don't understand what you mean by just dismiss the censuses before she was married.

I am interested in finding out about her early life before she was married and so those are the censuses I would like to find.

For each of those censuses I have a selection of people who could be her - I have no evidence to narrow down the correct person.

The only fact I am certain of is that her Father was called Thomas, and she was probably a Baptist.

Again - any help I can get, or ideas for looking at other sources of information, are much appreciated.
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Remember 1881 Census,says born in Narberth,That is the Civil Parish or

township.LLampeter,Pembrokeshire is where born,

1851 Census Of  Wales, Father David John ,Mother Jane John. A Ann Thomas living

with them,she is Mother In Law,So Jane was Jane Thomas.

Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall,and the wall came tumbling dow.???
by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (915k points)
Thank you for trying to help, but her Father was called Thomas.

Also, some of the censuses she puts her birth place as Llawhaden. I know Narberth is the nearest registration office.

I doubt Llampeter would get confused with Llawhaden, and Lampeter had its own registration office.

I agree that her surname may have been John or Johns.

Please give me some more ideas ..............................
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As far as John or Johns,names become corrupted over time,or Parish Priest

wrote it wrong.Or they change the way last name was spelled. This was common

in early United Kingdom.If there were too many John in an area,it will get changed

to Johns,do not fret over that.
by Wayne Morgan G2G6 Pilot (915k points)

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