Immigrants, tobacco farming, dance teachers, and me

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It seems I am being "forced" to turn to America for my direct line, not just my Grandma's sister's family (which appear to be Prussian / German / Danish anyway).

My short story long: almost my entire life I have known about my great-grandfather being "of Swedish descent".  This was what my mother, his granddaughter was told.  This is what my Uncle, his grandson, was also told.  I have a copy of his marriage certificate, in which it is stated that he was "born in Liverpool, England, in 1866, father Larsse Williamson, mother Anne Swanson".

For years my mother and I tried to find his birth in England.  For years my mother and I tried to find out about his father in Sweden.  We had no success on either count.  The State Library of Queensland told us that Sweden's records weren't like ours (Queensland's), held in one place, but retained by the Parishes.  If we knew the Parish, we could find the records.  Well, we didn't have a clue about the Parish.  How would we?  As it turns out, we would have had no success anyway, as we were looking for a surname, when we would have needed to look for a patronymic.  Even if we'd known to look for a patronymic, we would have been looking for the wrong one (due to the information we had being incorrect).  Making it more difficult, or so we saw it, was that great-grand had different ages on the registrations for marriage and children, making his birth year anything from 1862 to 1869.  NONE of them, as it turns out, being even close to the actuality (1857).

As recently posted to G2G, I have found the facts for the birth date AND place .. and neither has any resemblance to what was "known".  Great-grand wasn't born in Liverpool, England, to Larsse Williamson and Anne Swanson (although that was probably the closest to the reality), but was actually born IN Sweden, to Waldemar Larsson and Anna Svensdotter.

Thanks to the wonderful help from Eva Ekeblad, I know that Great-grand is recorded in the "leaving book" as departing Sweden in 1880 and going "to Amerika".  (Patience, please, I'm getting there.)  The question then became "did he actually go to America?" with another being "IF he went to America, for how long?" .. and another "HOW did the son of a tenant farmer from Sweden end up in North Queensland, Australia, as a Teacher of Dancing?".  Now I can add another to the list.  "What did he actually DO in America?"  Thanks to a link to a newspaper item sent to me by another Wikitreer (Sharon Weekes), it seems he may have done some tobacco farming prior to his arrival in Australia.  But where?  For how long?  He departed Sweden in 1880.  He was in Queensland getting my Great-grandmother pregnant before they married (do I hear *gasp* from the audience?) in March of 1899 (Granddad was born in October 1899).

So .. would 18 years be long enough to gain "considerable experience" in the growing of tobacco?

And, more importantly, how do I find out exactly when and where Great-grand entered America .. and then when and where he departed again?  (*phew* says the audience .. she finally got to the point!)

TLDR version: How do I find out Port of Entry (and date) immigration details for 1880/1881 USA?  Is there any way of tracking someone after they arrive, but before they leave?  How do I find out the Port of Departure (and the date)?

Thanks to anyone who reads this far.  Bigger thanks to anyone who can actually help.  smiley

in The Tree House by Melanie Paul G2G6 Pilot (422k points)
I actually didn't think the profile was relevant to what I was asking.  It doesn't say anything about tobacco farming, or America (other than the one sentence about the leaving book, which I stated) .. but thanks for the link.  (I was in email and on Trove when I asked.)
Well, actually, the profile is relevant - otherwise, how could people help you search if they don't know his name?
I guess I was more asking "how do I search" than asking for someone to do it for me.
I did look into tobacco growing at Ole's point of arrival in America and it seems they had been growing tobacco in that area for sometime. If Ole was a farmer's son I dont imagine it would have taken him long to learn the tricks to the growing part. I have seen tobacco growing wild in Far North Queensland outside towns that used to be tobacco growing areas.

I hope some more info comes your way soon...I am dying of curiosity here.

Cheers .. Sharon
This may be worth a question of its own, because it is so general: This thread has started me  wondering, for one thing how one got from USA to Australia in the 1890s and for another thing how one got the idea. It may have been discussed before - and it's certainly not my turf, so I'll just drop my thought here.
There were a few gold rushes to Australia in the 1890's. News of gold strikes usually get passed on quickly. It is interesting to wonder how and why.
At that time in Sweden world news got around pretty fast through the newspapers.

I also had a vague idea that in Sweden companies transporting emigrants to America advertized their services in the papers - and there is a clipping of an ad from 1868 in the Swedish Wikipedia article:

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigrationen_från_Sverige_till_Nordamerika
The state of Queensland was advertising in Denmark for people willing to come to what they called "Sunney Queensland, Australia" in the mid 1800's. I guess sunshine is a good enough incentive as any other to move countries and I hope those who came found more than a little sunlight. Must have been very uncertain times for a lot of people back then.

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There are immigration and naturalization records, but he came to America during a period when the census records were burnt.  There was a census in 1880, the 1890 destroyed, and the next in 1900.  Unless he stayed here for a long time, which it appears he didn't, or he settled in a location that had a state census in 1885 (only a few places), it is likely the only records would be passenger lists or immigration records.  Would a visa be required to travel?

Tobacco farming was prevalent in Maryland, Virginia, and to a degree in some of the other southern states (MD and VA have it as a primary cash crop).

Were Baltimore and Philadelphia still points for immigration by 1880?  Or did everyone go through Ellis Island, New York?  [I found the answer:  After 1892 nearly all the new immigrants from Europe entered via Ellis Island.  So he could have entered via Baltimore or Philadelphia (or less likely, New Orleans.)]

Since you don't actually state your gg's name, you might try looking for him at Ellis Island.

I hope someone else has some better ideas.

by Kathy Rabenstein G2G6 Pilot (318k points)
edited by Kathy Rabenstein

If they can grow sunflowers in South Dakota (I have seen them .. field after field after field .. GLORIOUS!  My daughter would have loved them) .. might it not be possible for tobacco to grow alongside that snow and ice in MN?  cheeky

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Yeah .. "fuzzy" hasn't been working lately .. not since the day I found that my "Ole Williamson" was actually "Ola Waldemarsson".  Ahh, glorious day!  (My cousin still isn't talking to me. laughsurprise)  Got to keep at it, even though my contributions this month are way down, so much time I have devoted to this.  But, still, my twiglets on the Tree have grown by 3, with the potential for more.

Ok, so we know he was in the US in 1880.  He was in Melbourne, Victoria in July of 1894.  (Unless there was another O. H. Williamson doing dance lessons and holding Balls and Dances during the same time frame.)

So, how much experience COULD he have gained regards tobacco farming in that time (1880-189x)?

Could he have been a bit of an optimist and bullshitter?

I'm thinking he was definitely a ladies man .. his chosen costume at the one Ball he arranged was "Don Juan".  cheeky

He definitely went to America.  That's documented.  I guess, if he was pretty used to farming all his life it wouldn't be that difficult to get experience in farming tobacco.  (How hard can it be to an experienced farmer?)  He definitely went to Australia .. or I wouldn't exist!  It's the bit in between we don't know. 

I think he may also have been somewhat of an entrepreneur.  He certainly knew how to "sell" himself .. and he got lots of accolades as a Dance Teacher.  (So it can't all have been bull***t.)

Part of selling yourself in this way must include a certain amount of made up "facts" .. and once you start doing that, it gets difficult to know when you should stop .. and sometimes the line between your "facts" and reality get blurred even for yourself.  (I've dealt many times with those labelled as "congenital liars".  They honestly believe at least half of the yarns they spout off.  You know .. say something firmly enough, often enough, and it becomes the "truth".)

That is what I meant with my somewhat flippant comment.

I don't doubt that he worked on a tobacco farm for some time - but it doesn't have to be for a very long time.

BTW, when I cited his moving-out record from his home parish, I wrote that he went to "America" - because I didn't realize he actually went there first. I thought it was just misleading. I think we should remove the quotes.

I also have a reflection about his leaving: I do not think he was running away from the law. The vicars who kept the parish records were pretty keen on including such information in the household records. People could be followed through several volumes by a note that they were in a market brawl 15 years ago. There's nothing like that for Ole.
It's good to know he wasn't running from the law.  It doesn't mean he wasn't running from himself.  Or being a farmer's son.  Maybe the tobacco was just a temporary thing, as the dancing seems to have been far more "present" in his life.

I am still not having any success regards his entry place and date (Australia), but at least the July 1894 timing says he must have arrived earlier than that.  The question is where .. and was he a fare-paying passenger as with the Sweden to America journey, or did he come assisted.  Only time will tell.

Or we could leave the quotes and change the c for the k in the actual record!  smiley

As for the quotes: you are the manager.

I'm so used to paraphrasing Swedish sources into an English narrative that I hardly notice when I do it.
I did.  Simply switched the c for a k so it reads "Amerika", as it should.  :)

I also added the link to his earliest so far found mention in the newspapers (the July 1894 Ball).  If I find nothing else, at least that's an anchor point for post America.
I think Ole was very smart indeed. I went back into Trove and found another Promoter of entertainment called Mr Williamson  in Melbourne  and on further investigation  I noticed that dance instructors and schools were becoming a dime a dozen in Melbourne by 1894.   Ole taking his talent to Queensland permanently where there was a lack of such distinguished men such as himself was a stroke of genius.
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Just a thought...Was onboard entertainment a thing in Ole's time? Could he have waltzed over to Australia employed as a paid dance instructor.
by anonymous G2G6 Pilot (132k points)

No idea.  surprise

He comes across as very resourceful and very sheik. I can see him teaching the upperclasses how to dance and wooing the ladies in the moonlight on the high seas.

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