Where is William Phillip Hill, the grandfather of Lance Hill (inventor of the Hill’s Hoist) from?

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Other online trees I’ve found have him as coming from England, on no strong basis I’ve been able to discern. His first name was recorded as Wilhem on his marriage record. If this is not a transcription error, it suggests he is German.

This is supported by a family story which has Lance visiting a cousin in Sydney. The Sydney cousin was a grandson of https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hell-167, a German immigrant.

I’ve been disappointed by how little information is recorded on South Australian certificates and am basically ready to give up trying to establish a connection, but then I thought maybe someone is smarter than me?
WikiTree profile: William Hill
in Genealogy Help by Mark Dorney G2G6 Mach 4 (44.5k points)

Mark .. you've managed to get an errant , in on that url.

Correct is https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hell-167

The SA certificates (for Lance and his wife) say he was born between 1907 and 1916. Lance was apparently born in 1902 according to the biographies; and his wife has an estimate of 1905 and another, with a source of 1915. Much harder to get a clear picture than NSW certificates, I hope it gets updated soon.

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Did you try the shipping lists. Many people came through Adelaide to avoid Victorian taxes. Its a wonder that there is not a biography on the Hills hoist Hill which may show his parentage.
by Audrey van den Berg G2G4 (4.5k points)
selected by Simon Ross
I added some extra sources on the profile regarding this. I hope we are collectively getting closer to an outcome. His wife perhaps may be easier to connect to the broader Wikitree.

There are some census records connected to the Essex connection that look promising but hard to confirm.
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Hell-167 comes up ‘does not exist ‘

I haven’t found anything.
by Marion Poole G2G Astronaut (1.2m points)
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I will just leave this one here.

From my understanding, Gilbert Toyne's patented version in Australian was based on a Dutch design that was transferred here.

http://archive.maas.museum/australia_innovates/index15ac.htmlbehaviour=view_article&Section_id=1040&article_id=10048

I will have to dig out the information my Dutch friend sent me after a lively conversation in a rooftop bar in Battambang

by Simon Ross G2G6 Mach 2 (23.3k points)

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