Lookin into Indian heritage...said to be Cherokee.

Question

Its said to be Cherokee on my dads maternal grandfather's side...Stan oliger is my dad..Verna Mae East his mother...Travest East is her father..Ocie Ola East is his father...I get lost at Theresa Ray/East...any help is very much appreciated! East-1740

Answer 1

Verna Mae East, United States Census, 1940 at Chickasaw Twp., Pontotoc, OK, age 13, daughter, est. birth yr 1927

Travis W East, Head age 35 b TX                                 Bessie East, wife age 34 born OK                                       Verna Mae East, dau. 13, born OK                                     A R East, son 11 yrs old, born OK                                       Ray W East, son 2 yrs old bn  OK

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Comments

You may want to have a DNA test done to see whether there is any Native American ancestry.

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I'd love to! I just didnt know how accurate they really are

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DNA tests aren't particularly helpful for finding Native American ancestors. Most Americans who are searching for that Native American ancestor are so many generations away that even if the person existed the DNA has probably long since washed out. No tribe accepts DNA for citizenship although many now use it as proof of parentage. The reference panels used by most testing companies contain few, if any, full blood people from tribes in the United States. Their samples are primarily from people with Native ancestors in Central and South America.  No test can connect you with a specific tribe unless it matches you to a specific person who is a tribal citizen.

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I know of someone who is 8% Native American after five generations.

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I think that is very unusual, but perhaps there is endogamy or more than one ancestor involved.  After five generations it would be more like 3% at the most.

Answer 2

Travis East, United States Census, 1920 at Chickasaw, Pontotoc, OK, age 16, single, white, can read and write. His father was born in Alabama and his mother in Tennessee.

Father is O C East age 45, and mother is Callie East age 34. Travis b TX, Lonie, son 13 born TX, Johnnie May daughter 11 born TX, Isabelle dau. 8 b TX, Lula daughter age 5 born OK, George son 3 b OK.

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Answer 3

I'm sorry, but I think the "Indian" connection is just a family story.

Here is the 1880 U.S. Census for Ocie and his parents:

"United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4V8-4CD : 26 August 2017), O O East in entry for Z R East, 1880; citing enumeration district ED 107, sheet 253A, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d), roll 0029; FHL microfilm 1,254,029.

Here is his father Zealous with his family in the 1850 census: Zealous R East
Age:16
Birth Year:abt 1834
Birthplace:Georgia
Home in 1850:Talladega, Talladega, Alabama, USA
Gender:Male
Family Number:769

Household Members:
Name           Age
Benjamin East  45
Margaret East  43
Mahalda East   18
Zealous R East 16
William R East 14
Sarah J East 12
Maneroa East 10
Missouri East 8
Susan East 6
Benj J East 4
Angeline C East 2

They are living in Talladega, Alabama which was not in the part of Alabama where the Cherokee lived.  The East family is not on the 1835 Cherokee census in Alabama.  

Ocie's mother is listed as Abrilla Waites, also born in Alabama in the 1830's.  There is no one named Waites on the 1835 Cherokee Census in Alabama.  

There is no one named "East" or "Waites" on the 1851/52 census of Cherokee East of the Mississippi.  I didn't find an Eastern Cherokee application for Ocie, either. 

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I found some stuff online but no facts for farther down the line...Stephen East...Theresa Ray...anything there that yall can see? And I appreciate your help a bookoo!!! I saw Asa Ray on a roll but I cant seem to find it now...hes an uncle to my dad waaaaay down that line I believe.. I could be wrong he is a brother to my dads direct line though. Just love learning about it but am not very good at it.

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Also Dicie Loggins was rejected is what a friend is telling me which is somewhere along in that line I believe...idk why or what the deal was though

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https://www.okhistory.org/research/dawesresults.php?lname=Fox 

Would this be any relation.. there's a callie fox

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No, this was a girl who was born in 1898 in Indian Territory, the daughter, no connection to your family.

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Here is the information on Callie Fox East from her
Social Security application:
Callie Fox East
Gender:Female
Birth Date:2 Oct 1881
Birth Place:Ft Smith, AR
Death Date:15 Jun 1973
Claim Date:10 Sep 1965
Father:William O Fox
Mother:Beth E Morris

Callie won't be found in a census with her parents since she was born
after the 1880 census, the 1890 census is lost, and she was married by
1900.

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The name is garbled, but here are William [Owen] and Beth [Elizabeth] in
the 1870 census:
Biggsem [Williamson] Fox
Age in 1870:23
Birth Year:abt 1847
Birthplace:Tennessee
Dwelling Number:9
Home in 1870:District 1, Polk, Tennessee
Race:White
Gender:Male
Occupation:Farm Laborer
Male Citizen over 21:Y
Personal Estate Value:60
Inferred Spouse:Elisabeth Fox
Inferred Children:Drice M Fox

Household Members:
Name             Age
Biggsem Fox      23
Elisabeth Fox    21
Drice M Fox       1

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Neither the Fox nor the Morris family is found on the 1835 or 1851/52 Cherokee censuses.  By 1880 William/Owen and Beth were living in Arkansas, and in 1900 they were in Texas where Callie and Ocie apparently met and married.  It's possible that some other member of their family married a Cherokee person, but this direct line shows no connection.

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Regarding the "Dicie (East) Loggins" story, that's exactly what it is - a made up story.  No one in that family had any Cherokee connection, they were white people who lived in South Carolina, moved through Georgia, and on to Alabama.  The Cherokee were forced out of South Carolina before the Revolutionary War. There was never any Cherokee person named "Solomon Ray."  

A number of descendants of "Dicie" applied for a share of the Eastern Cherokee payment in 1907 (see application #14005).  All were rejected since the family could not show any connection to the Cherokee, did not appear on any Cherokee census records, and neither Dicie nor her parents ever lived in the Cherokee Nation.  Just as a side note, the Eastern applications were for a share of a 4 million dollar payment to those who were Cherokee citizens at the time of Removal in 1838-39 and/or their descendants.  About 90,000 people applied for a share of the money, but only 30,000 were actually Cherokee.  Guion Miller, the administrator of the fund, did an enormous amount of research and the applications are a gold mine of genealogical information.