Can we find any primary sources for Simon Milbourne?

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Simon's not really the problem. It's his daughters and their relationships, especially Agnes who might have married John Walwyn or otherwise Thomas Walwyn. Surely there must be wills, IPMs, marriage settlements, something apart from conflicting visitations and secondary analysis. When Simon died without a male heir and having all those daughters there must have been a lot of legal goings on.
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in Genealogy Help by C. Mackinnon G2G6 Pilot (249k points)
As an aside, why do we have daughter Sybil dying in Austria, Hungary? Seems odd.

There's a will of a Thomas Walwyn of Much Markle, prob. 1531, wife Agnes and heir Richard. I can't make out if Agnes is our Agnes or not. 

Name: Thomas Walwyn
[Thome Walwyn] 
Probate Date: 16 Feb 1531
Residence: Moche Marcle, Hertfordshire, England

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this helps a little

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"Simon Milborne, from “natural debility and infirmities of body ceased to enjoy sound memory” previsions to his death in his 90th year and in 1525 a special commission issued from the Exchequer, No. 47, authorizing Rowland Marton and Thomas Bodenham, Esqs to ascertain with jurors what manors and lands were held of the Crown in fee, and who were the nearest heirs entitled to possess them, and thereupon to distribute the estates among such parties - Esc. 16 Henry VIII No. 100 virtute officii.

The manors of Burghill and Tillington were again divided, two thirds of both being assigned to Griffin Barton and Thomas Monington, in right of their deceased mothers, and the other moiety to Sybil Breynton, who settled the same on herself for life, with remainder as to one moiety to her daughter Isabella, wife of John Lingen of Sutton, and their heirs, and the other part to Thomas, son of John Hackluyt, and his heirs. "

http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Archive:Hundred_of_Grimsworth

Simon Milbourne, twice Sheriff of Herefordshire, increased his fortune by marrying an heiress, Jane, only child of Ralph, a younger son of Sir John Baskerville, and died leaving only daughters, who thus inherited through both their parents.

One of these daughters was Blanche, who married

James Whitney."

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http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Archive:The_Ancestry_of_John_Whitney,_Chapter_V,_Part_1

by Monica Edmunds G2G6 Mach 2 (27.0k points)
Thanks, good start. I've used some of it. Simon's more interesting already.
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I think we can pretty confidently rule out a marriage between Agnes Milborne (daughter of Simon) and John Walweyn. There's various primary records which detail Simon's heirs, and all of these have an Agnes married to Thomas Walwyn. e.g. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C3489692 . There is a theoretical possibility that Agnes married twice - to Thomas, and then to John - but there's nothing to support that unlikely scenario.

I also think we can confidently rule out a marriage between Agnes Milborne (sister of Simon) and John Walweyn, on the basis of dates. Agnes, sister of Simon is born c1420. She would therefore be too old to father some of John's children (and also significantly older than John). We know John Walweyn's ninth son was not born before 1480 and could easily have been born as late as 1500. We also know know John's second child (Thomas) was born c1461 (per the IPM of his brother, John). John's wife is therefore very unlikely to be born before 1440.   

I have tried to summarise the available info re John Walweyn on my site (though I appreciate I've only focused on one of his children - Edward Walweyn) - http://skliar-ward.com/family/humo_/F4532/I7046/. Fundamentally, I don't think we can currently identify John Walweyn's wife with confidence - I note some online trees name her as Gladys Morgan - but I have not found the source for this claim.

by Ben Ward G2G Crew (320 points)
Hi, and welcome. I just spotted this as I was on my way to a very needed bed. I will review in morning. I'm quite excited.

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