Maternal line over 33 generations

Question

This is the longest maternal line I could find using Wikidata, and a very cool query interface with graphical rendering. 

It spans 33 generations of mother-daughter relationship, and I challenge all women in this forum to find a longer one.

The two ends of the chain are missing in Wikitree. Saura Trencavel identity is pretty much disputed, and absent from WT (not sure she should be added given the contradictory sources I've found). Her daughter Adélaïde de Béziers has a profile, still a bit sketchy, and from her you can follow the descendance down to Frederica Hanover, even if the variation of names between Wikidata and WikiTree can give you headache. All those German princesses have really two many given names!

Special thanks to Katherine Patterson who just created and connected today a missing link I pointed to her in this chain, Constanza de Béarn!

Wikidata adds to the line three more generations of women still alive and well, hence not yet in Wikitree, Queen Sofia of Spain, her daughter Cristina, and the cute young princess Irene Urdangarín y de Borbón, born in 2005.

In the middle of this line proudly stands Anna (Jagiellonka) Habsburg (1503 - 1547), mother of 15 children, dead three days after the birth of her last daughter Johanna (the mother of Marie de Médicis). 

I would heartily vote to have this brave mother Anna replace the (in)famous Henry as our Wikitree anchor. It would not change much the center of the graph, they stand 4 degrees from each other.

[EDITED after several comments : some links in this chain are disputed. Pre-1500 experts are welcome to challenge it and edit/modify whatever should be]

Comments

The interface is pretty clever, unfortunately some of the text writes on top of other text obscuring both. At least it does so on my iPad.

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@George : the graph is flexible, you can drag a node in another place and all the snake will follow and settle down in a new configuration where text will be clearer. I suppose it should work on the iPad.

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I see a bunch of unsourced profiles. I think I could quickly create a 34 generation maternal line if I didn’t care about sources.

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It works exactly as you described. I’m impressed.

Your post deserves a star ... ⭐️

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@George. Cool application, isn't it? Independently of the quality of data, that is.

@Barry. Sure enough. See my answer below to John.

Answer 1

Sorry Bernard, but I think there is a major issue with this maternal line. I remember investigating it a few years ago as it is also is the line for Queen Victoria.

From memory it might be that we don't know for sure who was the mother of Juana Nunez de Lara, but it could have been another problem from about that period.

(As a side comment Wikipedia biographies can be a really poor source for pre-1500 profiles.)

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John, thanks a lot for chiming in here. I'm not pre-1500 certified and very ignorant in medieval sources. I have indeed already read this remark about Juana Nunez de Lara. I just pointed at this chain "as is". As Barry says also, there is certainly a good deal of work to double-triple-check all this. I'll let you see with Katharine and other pre-1500 PM involved in the chain what can be done. Consider me as just the canary in the mine here.

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I would add “Don’t shoot the messenger.”

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Thanks George.