Pulaski-2 was intersex

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This would be an interesting Geneology study...

Mitochondrial DNA was tested from the bones of his grand niece buried in Poland. Pulaski-2 had the bones of a woman and body of a male. Died at 34. She never gave birth, or was ever married. Was known as the " Father of the Calvary" a hero

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Edit: found the article:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/was-revolutionary-war-hero-casimir-pulaski-intersex-180971907/

Just because someone has an abnormal bone structure doesn't make him a her.  The article doesn't say he was proven to be intersex, just that he is suspected that he may be.  Being intersex is not the same as being the opposite sex.

And if he was intersex, I do not see how this relates to genealogy especially considering that he did not have any children.

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Intersex is pertinent to genealogy, I think, because babies so born were operated on to decide for them if they were to be a "boy" or a "girl".  Oftentimes such children grew up to resent such a decision being made for them.  In previous centuries, such children likely never made it past hours, or a few days (just as many girl babies didn't last longer than it took to leave them exposed, or multiple birth babies (who were seen as a sign of evil) didn't).  I think it has been posited by some that Elizabeth I was intersex (but I couldn't tell you where I read that, it was a while ago).

And that'd be the "Father of the Cavalry" (meaning horses) not Calvary (meaning the Crucifixion).

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Physical anthropology: studies the biological development of humans.

Sociology: the scientific study of society, patterns of social relationships, social interaction, and culture. It is a social science that uses various methods of empirical investigation and critical analysis to develop a body of knowledge about social order, acceptance, and change or social evolution.

Genealogy: also known as family history, is the study of families and the tracing of their lineages and history. Genealogists use oral interviews, historical records, genetic analysis, and other records to obtain information about a family and to demonstrate kinship and pedigrees of its members. The results are often displayed in charts or written as narratives.

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It's not abnormal bone structure when scientist say it was female bones..

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Geneology was about finding the DNA connection and the FACT is, you can not put the socialogy of 2019 and hold it in belief of 1779..

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Calvary as in organized unit of soldiers on horseback..

The documentary is " America's hidden stories " on Hulu

And by Forensic Anthropologists..

The christening paperwork mentioned the baby was not perfect..

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The skeleton unearthed from the site appeared characteristically female—particularly the pelvic bones and delicate facial structure.

I do not read in this article that they did an analysis of Pulaski's DNA to determine his genetic or gender makeup.

So the team came up with another theory: perhaps Pulaski was intersex.

A theory is not proof.

This, in turn, leads experts to conclude that the Revolutionary War hero was intersex—a general term that the Intersex Society of North America writes applies to people who are born with “a reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn’t seem to fit the typical definitions of female or male.”

Leads which experts?  All of them?  Some of them?  Which experts?  Are their names cited?  What are their credentials?  This is not an academic research paper, it is a media news article, passed off as science that is written to titilate and entertain.  It is the media equivalent of an unsourced Ancestry.com tree.

I do not see what it has to do with genealogy or WikiTree.

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I have come across 3 theories on Elizabeth I .. 1. In her time a husband would have been in charge according to law, and church law and she would bow to no one. 2. Intersexual. 3. The real Elizabeth died of illness as a child, and a village boy was the closest to her looks as the caregivers did not want Henry her father to behead them.. pulled it off as Henry never spent time with her

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The Hulu series " America's hidden stories" s1 ep6

You will find the Forensic Anthropologists names and those that did the DNA work up are cited and mentioned in the documentary.. and they show you that in the wording of the christening papers, showing something was not normal..

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Calvary as in organized unit of soldiers on horseback..

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The two words are not the same spelling.  Calvary is the site of the Crucifixion:

Golgotha, or Calvary (Biblical Greek Γολγοθᾶ[ς] Golgotha[s], traditionally interpreted as reflecting Syriac (Aramaic) golgolta,[1] as it were Hebrew gulgōleṯ (גולגולת), "skull"[2]), was, according to the Gospels, a site immediately outside Jerusalem's walls where Jesus was crucified. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvary

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Cavalry (from the French cavalerie, cf. cheval 'horse') or horsemen are soldiers or warriors who fight mounted on horseback. Cavalry were historically the most mobile of the combat arms. An individual soldier in the cavalry is known by a number of designations such as cavalryman, horseman, dragoon, or trooper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalry

Lots of people mix the two, because the letters are the same, just in a different order .. kind of how so many people say it's when they mean its, or prostrate exam when they mean prostate,  Language sure is fun. :)

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Those Elizabeth I theories are nonsense. All the way into her forties and fifties, ambassadors and spies from other countries paid her maids to find out if Queen Elizabeth was still menstruating, and the household accounts mention clothes specifically for menstruation (kind of an early version of a pad). Whatever can be said about her, she was not a man.

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That doesn't rule out the possibility EIR was intersex, as some intersex do menstruate.

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No, but it does rule out the theory that the real Elizabeth died young and a boy was playing dress-up in her place.

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Pththt .. I never believed that one for a minute!

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"Mitochondrial DNA was tested from the bones of his grand niece buried in Poland. Pulaski-2 had the bones of a woman and body of a male."

Commenting only to make certain two things aren't being conflated. There is absolutely no distinction in the mitochondrial DNA molecule between a male and a female. No one here ever said there was; it's just that the juxtaposition of those first two sentences might be taken to imply that a male/female differentiation can be made with mtDNA.

Answer 1

Let's not call Pulaski a "she", as far as anyone can tell, he lived life as a male and may not have been aware of anything different about his body. As he was baptized with a male name and raised as a son, his parents likely believed from the beginning that he was male.

NY Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/07/science/casimir-pulaski-intersex.html

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And perhaps more to the point, so did he.

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New WT Style Guide policy for the gender field: "Their gender identification, not ours."

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Thank you, Chase.

Answer 2

See Pulaski-8, inventor of the Pulaski Fire Tool.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Pulaski

Edward Crockett "Ed" Pulaski (February 9, 1866 – February 2, 1931) was a U.S. Forest Service ranger based in Wallace, Idaho.^[2] Pulaski traveled west and worked as a miner, railroad worker, and ranch foreman before joining the forest service in 1908.^[3] He was reputed to be, and personally claimed that he was, a collateral descendant of Casimir Pulaski.^[4]

Answer 3

Does anyone else find such discussions distasteful? All that matters here, surely, is did they have children?

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Well, since you asked:  No, not really distasteful.  Hilarious!

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Wondered why this thread was not closed when Chase posted the style guide policy on the matter.