Should we really keep two Christopher Holders married to two Mary Scotts?

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There are two Christopher Holders:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Holder-921

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Holder-22

married to two Mary Scotts. The first linked profile and his wife are in need of some sourcing. All I can find is a bunch of online linked trees/FindAGrave showing that couple and the following text:

"Elizabeth Holder was born 4 years after her parents immigrated to America from England. Her parents were Christopher Holder and Mary Scott. Her parents settled in Cape Cod later moving to Rhode Island. Elizabeth's family is an often complicated family to trace. Her parents Christopher Holder and Mary Scott are often confused with another couple related to the family. Elizabeth's brother "Christopher" named after her father married his first cousin "Mary Scott" This is the same name as his Mother. In fact this Mary Scott was his first cousin. Christopher, Elizabeth's brother was an often written about Quaker. He once even had his ear cut off and was whipped by officials for his faith. Many mistakes are made when tracing Elizabeth's family. Her brother is often confused with her father, and her sister in law is often confused with her mother. You can only follow the line by looking carefully at the birthdates.

This would suggest that Holder-921 was the father of Holder-22. But the vague and IMO juvenile nature of this passage makes me suspicious. Is there another source to back up these claims?

WikiTree profile: Christopher Holder
in Genealogy Help by Barry Smith G2G6 Mach 7 (73.5k points)
edited by Barry Smith
I know nothing about sources in early New England, but I do know that this sort of name repetition could and did happen, that is, it is entirely possible that this is two different couples with the same names. (I have a great-something-grandfather who married a woman with the same name as his mother. Thankfully, he wasn't named for his father. On another branch, I have great-something-grandparents who lived in the same small village as another couple with the same names. The saving grace there is that the other couple was older, and had their last kids about five years before my ancestors had their first ones.)

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Try to see if it is the same Mary and if so merge the Mary's but do not merge the two Christoper Holders.
by Linda Barnett G2G6 Pilot (447k points)

From the text, it would seem none of these people are the same -- the claim is that the younger Christopher Holder's parents were Christopher and Mary (Scott) Holder, so they would be different Marys. I just find this claim to be dubious and am hoping for a source.

The unsourced Mary is supposedly the son of Thomas Scott, but Thomas's profile seems to be conflating him with the PGM Thomas Scott: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Scott-3511 His daughter Mary did not marry a Holder.

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