Authoritative source for baronetcies?

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In a 17th century line I am following, several of the males are called "Sir" and some are named "Bart" in various sources.

But I don't see their names on the list of people knighted, and I don't find them in any of the usual Peerages, Baronetages, Extinct Baronetages, etc. So I'm skeptical about this Bart business, and I'd like to know if there's an official list I could check.
in Genealogy Help by Lois Tilton G2G6 Pilot (104k points)
retagged by Ellen Smith

Not an official list but there is an effort on Wikitree to categorize profiles with baronetcies: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Baronets

It links to an official list - no Byrons on it.

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A baronet is always called 'Sir', even though he ranks above a knight.

You may also like to see this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Roll_of_the_Baronetage
by Ros Haywood G2G Astronaut (1.1m points)
selected by Lois Tilton
Yes! Such a list is just what I was looking for!

My Byrons aren't on it.

Of course they could be Sirs w/o being Barts, but they don't seem to be on that list, either.

My thanks
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I can't speak from experience with baronetcies, but I do have some with baronies. Wikipaedia and other popular sources have a number of absences on their lists, particularly for titles that are no longer extant for various reasons. Don't give up, it's just a cue for more digging!
by Henry Campbell-Ricketts G2G4 (4.2k points)
I'm sure the title, if it ever existed, would be extinct by now.

But the thing is, I'm not sure there ever was a title.  Sir Nicholas Byron-579 was a knight,his knighting was a matter of record, he styled himself as a knight, not a baronet. So if his descendants would have a baronetcy, it would have to have come from him, and I don't see that he had one.

But then how did the descendants get away with using it?
Did the baronetcy come through inheritance from a female line? I've just been working through a family where due to there being no male heirs, the husband of a female heir got the title of Baron. Will have to go back to look up exactly which title it was.
I doubt it. Nicholas's wife was Flemish, and I don't think they had baronetcies. Also, her father didn't seem to have a title; he was governor of Breda, but no other title was given that I could see.

This works when there is a female equivalent (eg Baroness, Countess etc) and is known as jure uxoris - in the right of another. However, as a female can't hold a baronetcy in her own right I'm not sure that it could work in that situation. Although a man marrying the widow of a baronet... ‍♂️

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I've also seen cases where people have confused "knight of the shire" (which just meant he was an MP) with an actual knighthood, and therefore assumed that he was a Sir.
by Chris Hampson G2G6 Pilot (104k points)

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